Situation update - 1st May 2016

[AeraSteele]

Guys, releasing the source code now would only terminate any chances of reasoning with Blizzard. Though, I do suspect that Blizzards know about the potential release OF the code and is stalling for time so that the Nost team never releases it.

Guys, I'm sure though that if Blizzard doesn't pull through, then the team will release the code then.

[Pottu]

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You're an idiot. Do you realize that if they release the code, they will have no leverage against Blizzard? Think of the bigger picture instead of what YOU want.

[AeraSteele]

This right here is what holds back open source. People take something huge. Something they could not have possibly developed all by themselves. Something worked on by hundreds, sometimes thousands, of people to get it to the point they find it. They make a few improvements and reap some sort of benefit. And it doesn't matter if that benefit is monetary or just the satisfaction that comes from achieving a goal. And now, suddenly, they own it. They get greedy and hold on with both fists clenched.

There's a term for people like that: leechers.

Without MaNGOS there would have been no Nostalrius. That's just a fact. If you're not going to give back to the community from whose work you benefited then that's on you. You're not obligated to legally, but morally, you disgust me. You took the Mona Lisa, painted a mustache on it, and called it your own original work.

Hopefully you guys do strike up some sort of deal with Blizzard. You guys seem perfect for each other.

GIVE THAT MAN A CASE OF BEER! YOU ARE SO RIGHT!

Again, do you realize if they release the code before anything happens, they will have ruined their chances of giving the legacy server community (whom they are fighting for) what they (myself included) want?

[notgunnahappen]

This right here is what holds back open source. People take something huge. Something they could not have possibly developed all by themselves. Something worked on by hundreds, sometimes thousands, of people to get it to the point they find it. They make a few improvements and reap some sort of benefit. And it doesn't matter if that benefit is monetary or just the satisfaction that comes from achieving a goal. And now, suddenly, they own it. They get greedy and hold on with both fists clenched.

There's a term for people like that: leechers.

Without MaNGOS there would have been no Nostalrius. That's just a fact. If you're not going to give back to the community from whose work you benefited then that's on you. You're not obligated to legally, but morally, you disgust me. You took the Mona Lisa, painted a mustache on it, and called it your own original work.

Hopefully you guys do strike up some sort of deal with Blizzard. You guys seem perfect for each other.

GIVE THAT MAN A CASE OF BEER! YOU ARE SO RIGHT!

Again, do you realize if they release the code before anything happens, they will have ruined their chances of giving the legacy server community (whom they are fighting for) what they (myself included) want?

You're wasting your time trying to counter argue with these children who haven't grown to learn how the real world works yet.

[Garfunkel]

Qualifications: I am not a fanboy. I am a huge fan of Classic and BC WoW (And was a huge raider), but I am only casual on Nost and have only taken part in few conversations. Lastly; I am old, mature, and have experience in all of the key factors related to this subject. By that I mean I am a Software Architect and Businessman.

Anyone can claim anything on the Internet. As far as you know, I'm a Golden Retriever pretending to be an FBI agent pretending to be a pre-teen girl pretending to be a WoW player. Trying to appeal for imaginary authority in order to bolster your unfounded claims is one of the oldest debating tricks on the book. Maybe you are a self-employed code monkey, maybe you aren't - in either case it does not magically make whatever you write to be true.

As for your claims, well, the evidence goes both ways. Yes, Blizzard has so far been adamantly against Legacy servers. Yes, Brack made that statement and only hinted at Pristine servers which certainly would be something that nobody wants. But that's not the whole picture despite how you try to frame it to be so.

Jagex claimed the exact same excuses that Blizzard has used. Eventually they caved in - they "found" the old code for Runescape, they fixed the client to work with modern Windows and hardware, and if I've understood things correctly, their legacy RS is pretty much just what the players wanted. A similar thing happened with Everquest. So we have to examples straight from the MMO world. Additionally, Beamdog has made a living for a small company "remaking" Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and Icewind Dale, so that they can easily run on modern systems.

Some people claim that Blizzard is so big and savvy, they "must" have done proper market research to see that legacy servers would not be profitable. That's hogwash. Business history is full of companies making colossal mistakes - prime example of course when Coca-Cola company introduced the New Coke:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke
Market research is not infallible and corporations are not super-human entities. They are made up of people and people are emotional creatures prone to mistakes and tunnel vision and what else. Hell, back in 1990 very few people foresaw the collapse of the Soviet Union, even though many of the signs of collapse were visible!

Are we definitely going to get legacy servers? Who knows. Brack's post on Blizz forums was emergency PR measure to calm things down. He didn't say that Blizzard will introduce pristine realms - he simply stated that it was an idea that had been brought up in the studio, to try to fix some of stuff that is not really working well on retail. But for the first time ever, there is now tangible proof of the popularity of vanilla WoW, there is a major attention and support for legacy servers and Blizzard itself is in a situation where "fragmenting" the player base is not the nightmare that it once was supposed to be, because subscription numbers and the number of active players have fallen like a rock. If legacy servers are to ever become official, now is the time.

Be pessimistic if you want but please do not try to convince everyone else that they are an impossible dream - they aren't.

[wrw01200]

Created an account only to open your fucking eyes...

Briefly speaking: it seems to me that no Nostalrius code can really be released EVER! And it appears it is not reasons of theirs wide scale hard work on emulation domain, or a significant success in anti-cheating struggle, or a hard blow onto retail WoW community causing appropriate consequences.

I suggest the code is not going to be released at all because it finally turned out to have little in common with... MaNGOS (JESUS' FUCKING SHIT!!! AaaaaAAAaaaAAA!!!.......... BWaAaHaHAahawhaaHAaa!!!!.. )

*Okay, you may calm down! It may share valuable pieces, but it appears it's not enough substantial to change real stati positions between Nost and MaNGOS to be consequently labelled MaNGOS-like *

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The state is the realms you played here for about a year were not quite resembling a common QUALITY realm of MaNGOS! They lack different things you were eager on free-shards to benefit from and has a suspect substitute for them here. Also they have a GREATEST-BUNCH-EVER! of suffered out fixes that like the whales of MaNGOS stated here are and will be always good!

For me personally it wiped out unnotted, that nicey monster jumping on the air repeatedly towards and out from a player, observed especially well at pooling and just walking in different mines and caveats, yet not still fixing trapped-in-textures occasions. Here the moment a mob used its ability was not blowing your head hardly and instantly after its aggroing with a harsh sound of the effect, and, it also continues to use its venomous spit in a mild and regular manner.

One of the most subtle, but yet most wondrous, the Worgen Shadow Weavers in Duskwood unexplainably managed to damage you decently to the low health despite you were a hunter and had a pet and they did you no damage except shadowy damaging bolts, that is quite hard to experience on a regular even stated *quality* realm throughout the Net, where caster mobs always are easy EXP sweets.

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As a hunter I also can notify long lasting pet sufferings finally decently fixed! The pet never disappeared if it had been called, nor it increased its gap to the master as the road continues. Improves impression GREATLY relating to a generic server. The developers also added a check of path-to-the-master length and often just jumped a pet to its risky jumping owner. The monsters were also made to check its distance and just go down to the anxietor if it chooses not to evade its arrows down but to annoy a creature from underneath.

Also a constant levelled-up loyalty sound accompanied every pet spawning, was a minor degrade comparing to a MaNGOS implementation, but still not making it more similar but au contraire supposing great difference between two.

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As good things were widely populated bad ones also emerged! I personally experienced a real terrible and constant under-training both of me and my pet! On my previous server, Valkyrie-WoW, that is a confirmed QUALITY implementation of MaNGOS, I used to have that great abundant bag of grays I always was able to replenish killing a couple of beasts and then trading for a good coin at vendors. Here I was forced to grind only beasts, because humanoids drop less in equivalent and a useless cloth that was always pity to sell or waste on bandages.

I think all that could be acquired only by having the database revised completely... and in turn it is a hard work that community weakly notifies but yet feels unconsciously it's very close to Blizzlike drop rates! And comm logically asks, demands and even threatens feeling the great work under it!

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Considering those fragmented points I stated here trying to defend a position of Nostalrius team, I think everyone MUST agree it surely deserves to be STANDING SEPARATEdLY!!! I want to believe that I have deeply convinced everyone! Why, you think, I'm so pursuing and self-concerned?! It is simple: - b'cause you've played an Official World of Warcraft classic realms for a period slightly longer than a year!

[Kiala]

(...)Business history is full of companies making colossal mistakes - prime example of course when Coca-Cola company introduced the New Coke:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke

I actually did not know about this at all.
Totally off topic, but quite an entertaining read, thank you for providing it

(Fingers crossed for Official Legacy Servers, obviously!)

[Roadbl0ck]

I think your post is appalling.<snip>
the way you are saying it is utterly repellent.

All that and 100% accurate too.

I expect you back in a couple months time eating humble pie (not really).
I will reciprocate and apologize profusely if I'm off by an iota (I won't be).

[Vasya]

Damn, those memories made me drop a tear, especially Kazzak replay. Thank you Nostalrius for awesome days and legacy that won't be forgotten.

[swordarchmage]

Created an account only to open your fucking eyes...

obv troll obv, stopped reading after this sentence