What are the best classes & specs for each different role?

[Aethelwulf]

Being unable to so much as answer yes or no but instead spin everything on the other person is what makes you evasive and childish.

And I'm not about to "admit that I am incorrect" simply because you ask it of me as though it were a reciprocal right in an argument. It defies logic.

[Theloras]

Edited

[Awkwardlol]

you're just being a royal kunt for the sake of being a royal kunt - no two ways about it - and knowingly/needlessly derailing this thread in the process.

Perhaps you and Killerduki should own up to your mistakes instead of deflecting and derailing about me and my wrongs?

This is about you and him stating that Chromaggus has a Holy Vulnerability. You have the search engines available, could you go find it for us please.

I never said Chromaggus had a Holy Vulnerability - if anything I said the exact opposite because that was what I honestly believed from my own personal experience fighting that boss. Duke was the one who said it - I even PMed him to ask if he was sure and he said yes.

I am merely giving him the benefit of the doubt to which he came across the guild website strategy and Paladin solo tanking videos linked in the post above.

To that end, I even specifically said that we should test it out to see how things work here on Nostalrius.

This evasiveness is painfully transparent and childish coming out of you, Theloras.

ORLY?

Saying that we should run a test and see if he has a weakness/vulnerability = me being evasive and childish

Never mind providing you with links showing what other guilds on Peenix used as their strategies.

Why don't you admit that perhaps YOU are the one who is incorrect here?

You fucking kunt

You are the one that is incorrect though. You are the one deflecting.
You just stated that you agree with Killerduki, which means you are wrong.
You just also stated that you want a test to see if he has a weakness/vulnerability to Holy.

Now that's where it's funny, I linked you all the spells used by Chromaggus and his "shimmer" ability, however you provided me with no evidence of any of your claims, yet you keep claiming that you are right and i am wrong. Odd world.

Since you are being an ass to others then me as well now, I suggest you turn your attention to me for good, no need to flame other by standers. That's not nice at all, you can flame me all you want.

Since i was incredibly bored waiting for you to come up with your next execuse, I found you more stuff to have fun with, notice how STARS align and magically the Spell ID's match up perfectly with a Vanilla Database from the current WoD WoWHead, does this mean that Blizzard hates Paladins? What could it mean? I don't know, i am sure we will find out on the next episode of, deflecting with Theloras and Killerduki!

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=22277/elemental-shield - Fire
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=22278/elemental-shield - Frost
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=22279/elemental-shield - Shadow
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=22280/elemental-shield - Nature
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=22281/elemental-shield - Arcane

Edit 1 and 2: Next deflection please, with zero evidence to back up any of his claim!

[Awkwardlol]

Being unable to so much as answer yes or no but instead spin everything on the other person is what makes you evasive and childish.

and posts like are what make you a fucking kunt

Don't be rude because he's stating the truth. All you have to do is admit you and Killerduki are wrong.

Edit1: You and Killerduki can PM me about your rights and wrongs, if it helps ease your pain of being wrong in public.

Edit2: Sleeperino now, lads

[smilkovpetko]

61644 Threats over 3 Minutes Fight + (unknown 20% extra by Holy Shield) + 3420 By Variety of Retribution Aura.

Thank you. This is your first sane post in this thread, btw. Congratulations.

So... that's roughly 360 TPS. Workable in MC, I guess (although a trigger happy warlock will pull aggro with an unlucky shadowbolt crit at start and then you're fucked). I wonder how it changes as gear progresses? Can you do a rough calcuation (don't need to copypaste everything, just point out what changes) for, say, a BWL + ZG geared paladin (starting on AQ)?

First of all the Threats was calculated with "non include" Consecration and MP5 increased by consumes.

Second is that this is "Pre Raid" Calculations

Third There is no Classified fight that goes withing 3 Minutes Duration Full DPS on 1 Target.

Molten Core Duration :

Lucifron - Average time Killing 30-60 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds).
Magmadar - Average time Killing 60-90 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds).
Gehennas - Average time Killing 30-60 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds).
Garr - Average time Killing 90-120 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due adds.
Baron Geddon - Average time Killing 50-80 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds)
Shazzrah - Average time Killing 30-50 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds)
Sulfuron Harbinger - Average time Killing 60-70 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due adds.
Golemagg the Incinerator - Average time Killing 80-120 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due Taunts in which Paladin can Reset Stacks With Bubble/Macro Remove instead 1st Taunt.
Majordomo Executus - Average time Killing 80-120 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due Adds.
Ragnaros - Average time Klling 100-150 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due to Threats reseting.

Onyxia - Average time Killing 150-200 Seconds (20 seconds more than calculations) = irrelevant toward calculations due to P3 Threat Resets + Adds in P2.

Razorgore the Untamed - Average time Killing 300-400 Seconds = I don't have to explain this Boss.
See the video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ovC3fkojlE and 2nd part https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXV1lqIJr9w (used 100 spell damage)
Broodlord Lashlayer - Average time Killing 90-120 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due to Threat Reducing and Tank Switching.
Firemaw - Average time Killing 100-150 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due to Wing Buffed that Warriors will obviously Taunt Soak and Paladin Keep his Threat.
Ebonroc - Average time Killing 90-150 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due to Wing Buffed that Warriors will obviously Taunt Soak and Paladin Keep his Threat.
Flamegor - Average time Killing 80-110 Seconds (far from 180 Seconds) = irrelevant toward calculations due to Wing Buffed that Warriors will obviously Taunt Soak and Paladin Keep his Threat.
Chromaggus - Average time Killing 200-400 Seconds (irrelevant to time due to different strategy) = irrelevant toward calculations completely due his special abilities especially when timelaps come.
Neffarian - Average time Killing 400-500 Seconds (twice almost 3rd longer) = irrelevant toward calculations due to adds and the longer duration is the more TPS by Melee Swings.

Now Which fight isn't so clear for you?!.

The longer Duration = The more TPS by main TPS ability = Melee Swings.

If fight is 360 Seconds = 100 k Threats by Melee Swings (Chromaggus) , if fight is 520 Seconds (Neffarian) = 150 k Threats by Melee Swings. (Excluded by all Attack power Gain or MP5 increased or other abilities used than melee swings) . @Preraid Gear.


(although a trigger happy warlock will pull aggro with an unlucky shadowbolt crit at start and then you're fucked).

Judgement of Righteousness = 50% Spell Coefficient = 50 Damage increased by 100 Spell Damage.

Unleashing this Seal's energy will cause 162 to 179 Holy damage to an enemy.
(In which can also Crit)

Assuming the very minimum damage = 162 + 10% by one-handed 16 + 50 by spell coefficient = 228 + JoTC 140 = 386 Holy + 331 Righteous Fury = Instant 699 Threats (in case doesn't work and this Warlock is Jerk enough) 699 + 1 Melee Swing 562 = 1261 Threats within 1 Second. Another thing is that i can "Consecration" if both option doesn't work .

In the Calculations Consecration is excluded because of Nostalrius AP working too and it would be far much higher than the Calculations i did.

I wonder how it changes as gear progresses?

Pre Raid : (current Patch)

Prince Diremaul West = 12 SP
Wizard Oil = 24 SP
Greater Arcane Elixir = 35 SP
Weapon Enchant = 30 SP

101 SP.

MC : (current Patch)

Golemagg = 40 SP + 1% SP Crit (for jor+exorcism)
Wizard Oil = 24 SP
Greater Arcane Elixir = 35 SP
Weapon Enchant = 30 SP

129 SP 1% SP Crit (for jor+exorcism).

BWL : (current Patch)

Neffarian = 84 SP
Wizard Oil = 24 SP
Greater Arcane Elixir = 35 SP
Weapon Enchant = 30 SP

173 SP.

Pre Raid : (future patch)

Sageblade = 20 SP
Brilliant Wizard Oil = 36 SP + 1% SP Crit (for jor+exorcism)
Greater Arcane Elixir = 35 SP
Weapon Enchant = 30 SP
Zandalari Shoulders Enchant = 18 SP

139 SP + 1% SP Crit (for jor+exorcism)

Very BiS Raid (future patch)

Maexxna = 95 SP + 1 SP HiT + 1 SP Crit (for jor+exorcism)
Brilliant Wizard Oil = 36 SP + 1% SP Crit (for jor+exorcism)
Greater Arcane Elixir = 35 SP
Weapon Enchant = 30 SP
Sapphiron = 15 SP + 1% SP Crit (for jor+exorcism)

211 SP + 1 SP HiT + 3 SP Crit (for jor+exorcism)

Note that Attack Power Calculations was Completely Excluded.

In which SoR + White Swings + Consecration Benefits from it.

"The Shorter fight is the faster Threat Making i do" Since i don't waste that much mana and i could Spam Consecrations or Judgements or (undeads/Demons) Exorcism.

What else you would like to know?

[smilkovpetko]

The fact that First person brought Chrommagus as "Threats" Questioning was :

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=15966&start=40#p140079

Jach.

To the guy who responded to me, yes you CAN tank Chromag, but his spell defense means you will essentially be doing auto attack threat, which is terrible. The fight would take years because your dps would have to twiddle their thumbs. Hell, healers would probably pull him off you eventually. And thats what I am talking about- don't try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Play the spec to its strengths and don't waste people's time.

According to Awkwardlol Logic :

This is about you and him stating that Chromaggus has a Holy Vulnerability. You have the search engines available, could you go find it for us please.

If Holy is not affected by any resistance then why are we even talking about this boss since he will be same as any other Boss?!.

[Theloras]

How can I be deflecting about something to which I have admitted that I have no concrete knowledge on? I asked Duki and he said that there is a Holy Weakness so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because you know, sometimes things are coded incorrectly both on retail and especially on private servers.

The fact that other guilds on Peenix use this as their strategy only leads me to at least contemplate that maybe Chromaggus does in fact have a Holy Vulnerability built into the Shadow Vulnerability:

"Spriest can wand, mostly, since you will be needing the mana over the long fight, most likely. If you have enough mana, and its something else than Holy/Shadow vulnerability, you can just use your Mindflay anyway, since every little DMG counts (We all know those 1 % wipes) and we need your debuff up all the time ofc."
http://spqrgaming.shivtr.com/forum_threads/1694997

That's info from Peenix from last year and since it's still relevant given the fact that both Nost and Peenix are both private servers using the same basic emulated core (albeit different coding in other areas), the fact remains that Duki isn't the only one saying that Chromaggus has a Holy Vulnerability.

Me saying, "Hey, let's test it out and see for ourselves" is an invitation for everyone to find out what the final verdict is.

You guys keep saying that that is deflecting but if you would respectfully take your heads out of your asses, you will see that isn't remotely close to deflecting in any way, shape or form.

TLDR:

I am not claiming that I am right and you are wrong.

I am claiming that my suggestion that we test it to see one way or the other plus your refusal to participate in said test while running around like a chicken with its head cut off on these forums calling me clueless and a liar makes you a fucking kunt.

[Awkwardlol]

The fact that First person brought Chrommagus as "Threats" Questioning was :

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=15966&start=40#p140079

Jach.

To the guy who responded to me, yes you CAN tank Chromag, but his spell defense means you will essentially be doing auto attack threat, which is terrible. The fight would take years because your dps would have to twiddle their thumbs. Hell, healers would probably pull him off you eventually. And thats what I am talking about- don't try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Play the spec to its strengths and don't waste people's time.

According to Awkwardlol Logic :

This is about you and him stating that Chromaggus has a Holy Vulnerability. You have the search engines available, could you go find it for us please.

If Holy is not affected by any resistance then why are we even talking about this boss since he will be same as any other Boss?!.

Look how cute you are, trying to change the subject and deflect again. Just because you're really stupid, I'll remind what we are discussing, you said:

Now you Talk about Chromaggus . ... Imagine the Holy Threats when get Weak by Holy Spells!?!?!?!>... That would go beyond your illusion in this fight. using 250 spell damage.

Chromaggus' skin can "shimmer", changing his vulnerability to a particular school of magic. If you have CTRA it will help you know when his vulnerability changes and identify it when it is found.

After over 10 hours of discussion, you have failed to bring forth Holy Vulnerability Spell from the Database. Therefor you are as you said yourself, "clueless". You Killerduki have no idea what you are talking about. I hope it feels good, lad.

Thanks for the great discussion, jk, all you did was post bullshit.

[Awkwardlol]

How can I be deflecting about something to which I have admitted that I have no concrete knowledge on? I asked Duki and he said that there is a Holy Weakness so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because you know, sometimes things are coded incorrectly both on retail and especially on private servers.

The fact that other guilds on Peenix use this as their strategy only leads me to at least contemplate that maybe Chromaggus does in fact have a Holy Vulnerability built into the Shadow Vulnerability:

"Spriest can wand, mostly, since you will be needing the mana over the long fight, most likely. If you have enough mana, and its something else than Holy/Shadow vulnerability, you can just use your Mindflay anyway, since every little DMG counts (We all know those 1 % wipes) and we need your debuff up all the time ofc."
http://spqrgaming.shivtr.com/forum_threads/1694997

That's info from Peenix from last year and since it's still relevant given the fact that both Nost and Peenix are both private servers using the same basic emulated core (albeit different coding in other areas), the fact remains that Duki isn't the only one saying that Chromaggus has a Holy Vulnerability.

Me saying, "Hey, let's test it out and see for ourselves" is an invitation for everyone to find out what the final verdict is.

You guys keep saying that that is deflecting but if you would respectfully take your heads out of your asses, you will see that isn't remotely close to deflecting in any way, shape or form.

TLDR:

I am not claiming that I am right and you are wrong.

I am claiming that my suggestion that we test it to see one way or the other plus your refusal to participate in said test while running around like a chicken with its head cut off on these forums calling me clueless and a liar makes you a fucking kunt.

You are deflecting, because you are backing up Killerduki in the case that we are discussing. You both claim there is a Holy Vulnerability, you are refusing to link me the Spell from the Database. As i stated already, Chromaggus may actually be able to take damage from Holy spells just like any other creature and have no resistances towards Holy, however this does not INCREASE the damage taken by Holy spells, ill remind you again what Killerduki said and what i pointed out to begin with, which is what we are discussing here:

Now you Talk about Chromaggus . ... Imagine the Holy Threats when get Weak by Holy Spells!?!?!?!>... That would go beyond your illusion in this fight. using 250 spell damage.

Chromaggus' skin can "shimmer", changing his vulnerability to a particular school of magic. If you have CTRA it will help you know when his vulnerability changes and identify it when it is found.

This can make our Threats 2 times more than your Warrior Threats if we are "Equal" geared.

Now you talk about Abilities and Threats.... Warrior can dream to make that "700" Threat each second or two when his Rage Starving killing him.

As you can see, your friend put himself in a bad situation he does not have a way of getting out of. There is no evidence presented by either you nor him, that this Vulnerability ever existed, therefor you must be understanding that Killerduki's own claim, appoints to himself, let me remind you what that is:

if you don't bring me single evidence for this particular Boss i get proved that you are the clueless here.

I guess we can say he is actually "clueless" finally. However many people knew this already, just look at his previous posts, he can barely have a discussion and he has to fall back on a guy who has no knowledge on anything we are dicussing, which is again, let me remind you since you seem to forget constantly: Does Chromaggus have a Holy Vulnerability, when he *shimmers*.

To answer this question, he does not.

You have no evidence of that fact, therefor, i presented you with all the spells that belong to Chromaggus and you still refuse to understand the fact i presented to you pages ago. (Re-read above about Holy Damage, if your rage reading)

I hope this doesn't hurt your reputation as much as it does Killerduki, after all, you should consider yourself a by stander, you are after all a "Vanilla Master" (cite'ing you), are you not?

Thanks for the great discussion and for all the offtopic that you bought along, but sadly you need to get back to what we are discussing: Does Chromaggus have a Holy Vulnerability when he *shimmers*

Thank you very much for reading and i hope your day is pleasant, Killerduki the Clueless and Theloras the Killerduki Backup Squad

PS, I'll just note to you again since you don't understand what i am saying very well: You can run your test, It doesn't bother me at all, I mentioned to you that i don't care for Feenix nor Nostalrius Bugs, you and Killerduki are "Vanilla Masters", Killerduki claims he tanked Kel'Thuzad on a Paladin in Retail, therefor, such small things as this is very easy to remember, especially if you were a Paladin Tank in Retail. And you are a Private Server Hero, I guess, since you claim you have no experience with any of this. I take it you didn't either play Vanilla or you just have poor memory. Anyways, I already know the outcome and the answer to your "test". Just remember to come back to me and admit to everyone here that you were wrong about the Holy Vulnerability, as it doesn't exist in the Database. Where is the link to the Spell, by the way?

[smilkovpetko]

After over 10 hours of discussion, you have failed to bring forth Holy Vulnerability Spell from the Database. Therefor you are as you said yourself, "clueless". You Killerduki have no idea what you are talking about. I hope it feels good, lad.


First of all there is no solid evidence of what you talk about since - Chromaggus is not defined in which School is High Resistant or Vulnerable .

(Taking into account the Death_Talon_Wyrmguard)
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Talon_Wyrmguard
In b4 Are already High Resistant toward Holy School too.

This Doesn't Exclude Chromaggus .

But as i said in fact there is nowhere evidence about this so we are basing into Assumptions since in wowwiki doesn't say anything about particular school Holy like they do for Ossirian or Twins.

Second is if Death_Talon_Wyrmguard is already Holy Resistant and toward your Logic (Holy Should not be counted) then this must been either Privacy Servers Bug or False proves.

One or the another = there is Bug Report and as Theoloras have said = we should test it here in Nostalrius.

According your Logic = There should be no Holy Resistant Mobs/Boss (Wyrmguard or Chromaggus). In BWL and this make us nothing different from "Warriors" on Threats..

According to "unknown bugged or not" Logic = If there is High Holy Resistant then there should be also Holy Vulnerability too.