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Re: I miss healing and/or tanking, need some serious advice

by St0rfan » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:55 am

Paladin tanking is super fun with consecrate, and super easy too but you will have trouble finding a guild that accept you.

EDIT: Also there's the issue of lacking itemization.
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Re: I miss healing and/or tanking, need some serious advice

by smilkovpetko » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:05 am

St0rfan wrote:EDIT: Also there's the issue of lacking itemization.


not true at all

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=13492

you have everything you need , nothing lack at all
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Re: I miss healing and/or tanking, need some serious advice

by Dr. Doom » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:13 am

St0rfan wrote:Paladin tanking is super fun with consecrate, and super easy too but you will have trouble finding a guild that accept you.


Agreed here. I have done tanking in this server with a warrior, a holy/prot paladin hybrid, and now an enhancement shaman. I haven't done bear druid here but I did do it before in retail.

Paladin is hands down the easiest to pull off, probably because of the well-known lack of combat interactivity described by Genkaku ( i.imgur.com/xMhR0.jpg ). Shaman is the most difficult one to do, but for that exact reason, the most satisfying one to do when you succeed.

I am very used to warrior tanking and using moves practically permanently with general cd being my sole limit, and in 5 mans, I like to test my own capacity to dish out as many things as possible and stance dance to keep thunder clap up, as well as the occasional move into zerker for berserker rage. Paladin tanking often times will simply be autoattacking SoR + JotC up. Since I'm itemized in a hybrid manner for both tanking and healing my mana bar is actually decent and not pitiful like the regular prot paladin, so I can keep consecrate up practically the full duration of any boss fight (also gives me a button to press every 10 secs). It's the only spec where I can generally move to /g or /w chat while tanking and nothing will go wrong.

For someone that hasn't ever tanked before in an MMO, I really do recommend paladin. An easy way to circumvent lack of ginvites or skeptical groups, or groups that already have a warrior tanking, is to also have healing gear and a good amount of holy talents. Paladin has the nice perk of having all the good tanking talents in the first 3 tiers of Protection, so it's pretty easy to go healer and get all the core tanking pieces. Only things you'll miss are 1h weapon spec (which in this server only affects physical dmg so it's really minor in terms of threat generation) and Holy Shield. If only shamans were as lucky...
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Re: I miss healing and/or tanking, need some serious advice

by smilkovpetko » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:07 am

Speaking of Tanking here is videos of all kind of 5 man

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=22875


Can they Tank easy 40 man Raids without oom ? ofc , do you need lot mana for that ofc not if you have enough sp .

Do they have 1 button only? ofc not , Consecration for aoe Aggro,Judgement of Righteousness for "Taunting" , Holy Shield for surviving (similar to shield block) , Seal of Righteousness for 1 target passive aggro (similar to sunders) , Exorcism for overpowered Undeads and Demons (taunt+tons of threats) and Holy Wrath for AoE Undeads and Demons where Warlocks can't get even close to you using Hellfire.
Holy Light to heal yourself during Tanking , Bubble to remove all Deadly debuffs that would otherwise kill Warrior Tanks , Lay of Hand where at 10% hp you can get full top HP , Hammer of Wraith for execution aggro and so on.

Do we lack itemization ? not rly there are ton amounts of offset and good items from Raids , feel free to check Atlas loot (zg+mc+bwl+ony).

Did they Tank 40 man raids? yes they do and can if you play it proper. Even noob Warrior that doesn't play proper can't tank either which puts them at same line.

40man raids tanking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXV1lqIJr9w

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 7949_o.jpg Hardest Aggro intensive fight

Can they soak strongest damage taken (hateful strike) ? yes they can
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 8473_o.jpg

Can they tank the hardest Bosses in game? yes they can
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 8017_o.jpg Hardest hitting Boss in Game that exist

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 0711_o.jpg 2nd Hardest hitting Boss in Game that exist

Can they do more threats than Warrior , with same level of gear yes they do it and do it twice higher even in single target .

Why most Guilds doesn't allow you to raid?

-Lack of knowledge around protection paladins which are not using spell damage weapon neither def cap which are their mandatory stats.

-Lack of working Abilities which makes them not working and tanking properly (example cc bug,hakkar mc bug,one-handed weap bug,holy resist bug,Seal of righteousness non working proper bug etc).

-Lack of information regarding Protection paladin benefits , but that's why i am here recording step by step to show where we are best and more beneficial than Warrior Tanks.

-Lack of knowledge and understanding that in 40 man Raid there are more than 2 Tanks where 3rd and 4th Tanks are used for Trash tanking which Paladins are Best and twice efficient than Warrior Tanks

-If MT die and boss is immune to Taunt then Paladin is here to take over as 2nd Tank and save the Raid

And at the very end , play whatever you enjoy to play and don't listen trolls.
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Re: I miss healing and/or tanking, need some serious advice

by St0rfan » Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:03 pm

smilkovpetko wrote:
St0rfan wrote:EDIT: Also there's the issue of lacking itemization.


not true at all

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=13492

you have everything you need , nothing lack at all


I wasnt implying a complete lack of valid gear, but it is harder to obtain non-tier tanking gear before AQ.
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Re: I miss healing and/or tanking, need some serious advice

by smilkovpetko » Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:23 pm

St0rfan wrote:
smilkovpetko wrote:
St0rfan wrote:EDIT: Also there's the issue of lacking itemization.


not true at all

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=13492

you have everything you need , nothing lack at all


I wasnt implying a complete lack of valid gear, but it is harder to obtain non-tier tanking gear before AQ.


80% of zul gurub gear is non tier tanking gear
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