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Re: Theorycrafting: Druids' Stats

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:05 pm
by gebius
Tank --- Feral Combat:
Hit Rating: Get close as possible to 9% Hit Rating to never miss an attack. (Source)
Agility: 1 Agi = 2 Armor, ~20 Agi = 1% Dodge, and 1 Agi = 1 AP. (Source)
Stamina: 1 Stamina = 10 HP. Heart of the Wild talent increases the amount of stamina by 20% which means you get 12 HP per stamina.

you dont get AP from AGI in bearform ! why is this a sticky post?

Re: Theorycrafting: Druids' Stats

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:52 pm
by Pottu
All stickied posts in Mechanics and Class forums have been requested by the community. If you have good sources to back up claims that something is wrong, please write a new post and I'll sticky that instead of this one.

Re: Theorycrafting: Druids' Stats

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:07 pm
by Taladril
20 Agi equals 1 crit. 1 crit can be equated to 20 AP at least from this perspective so yes, agi does mean more dps.

Re: Theorycrafting: Druids' Stats

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:42 pm
by Lufhtrae
This thread is being updated over next few weeks to help our fellow druids.

Re: Theorycrafting: Druids' Stats

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:47 pm
by Taladril
Tell me you're gonna post it on the elysium forums, right? I only come here once or twice a month out of curiosity. All of the present discussions are over there.

Re: Theorycrafting: Druids' Stats

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:22 pm
by Lufhtrae
Taladril wrote:Tell me you're gonna post it on the elysium forums, right? I only come here once or twice a month out of curiosity. All of the present discussions are over there.


I'll transfer the post over to Elysium soon since this post needed to be cleaned up. Sorry for the slow update since I'm busy juggling raids, wedding planning, and my job at the same time.

Re: Theorycrafting: Druids' Stats

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:04 pm
by Lufhtrae
Copy & Paste from Crestfall
http://forums.crestfall-gaming.com/inde ... ttributes/


This is to be a back-up in case Crestfall goes down, or has any issues.
Overview

I have been away for so long from Nostalrius and finally caught up on Elysium then started to lurk on Crestfall for a few months. As a theorycrafter, what concerns me at the moment is that I could not find a single comprehensive but simple guide to Druid's mechanics; (1)how stats work, (2)what formulas is used in calculating end results, (3)what is the order of calculations, and (4)how we can optimize our gear to fit our needs efficiently. So, I created a small thread that was depreciated on Nostalrius. What I do see is several impressive guides for specific trees and how to gear up; Restro PvE and Feral PvE (DPS & Tank) by @Elicas on Crestfall, and few other forums. There's other guides as well on how to gear properly but they did not answer the bigger question which is... WHY SHOULD YOU PICK THIS GEAR OVER OTHER GEAR? I will be divulging deeper into this subject as I find more reliable data since I rely on four official sources; official vanilla data from archive.org which contains (1)archived patch notes, (2)archived blizzard forums, and (3) archived old vanilla raiding logs, plus (4)reverse engineered data from WoW client files. Unofficial sources may be considered if there is enough data backing them up such as from (1) Core Emulation Developer/Engineer, (2)unofficial vanilla forums such as Crestfall/Nostalrius/Elysium, and (3) existing databases such as current vanilla-wow.wikia.com. Original post can be found here while Nostalrius forums remains online for a time being.



Constructive feedback from you as a community will be extremely helpful where you are able to submit one of three things;

Photos or videos showing druids wearing specific gear and shows the overall stats in official vanilla server but must be uploaded earlier than 2.0.1 patch which was released on 12/05/2006
Links to official sources as mentioned above
Links to unofficial sources as mentioned above with enough justification to satisfy the rationale of official sources


Credible Sources

Official WoW Patches by Blizzard - http://forums.crestfall-gaming.com/index.php?/topic/1823-official-druid-patch-notes/
Official Explanation on Resistances by Blizzard - http://forums.crestfall-gaming.com/index.php?/topic/1830-resistances-spell-hit/
Official Character Basics by Blizzard - http://web.archive.org/web/20061014120253/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/characters.html
Full List of Stats at Specific Levels - http://web.archive.org/web/200610180855 ... Stats.List
Stats Calculations Defined - http://web.archive.org/web/200610180658 ... Stats.View




Table of Contents

Basic Attributes
Genetic Druid Formulas
Role Orientated Formulas
Balance
Feral
Restoration
Conclusion




Basic Attributes defined for druids - http://web.archive.org/web/200611100919 ... cters.html

Strength: increases the attack power with melee weapons
Agility: increases the armor points, chance to score a critical hit with weapons, and chance to dodge attacks
Stamina: increases the health pool
Intellect: increases the mana pool, and the chance to score a critical hit with spells
Spirit: increases the regeneration of health and mana while out of combat


Starting Stats - http://web.archive.org/web/200611100932 ... ses/druid/

Night Elf
Strength: 18
Agility: 25
Stamina: 19
Intellect: 22
Spirit: 22
Armor: 55
Health: 53
Mana: 100
Tauren
Strength: 26
Agility: 15
Stamina: 22
Intellect: 17
Spirit: 24
Armor: 35
Health: 78
Mana: 67


Level 60 Druid Stats - http://web.archive.org/web/20061018085509/http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Stats.List

Night Elf
Strength: 62
Agility: 65
Stamina: 69
Intellect: 100
Spirit: 110
Armor: ??
Health: 1993
Mana: 2464
Tauren
Strength: 70
Agility: 55
Stamina: 72
Intellect: 95
Spirit: 112
Armor: ??
Health: 2124
Mana: 2389




Genetic Druid Formulas

Strength: 1 Strength = 2 Attack Power
Agility:
1 Agility = 2 Armor Points
1 Agility = 0.05% Chance to Score a Critical Hit
1 Agility = 0.05% Chance to Dodge Attacks
Intellect: 60 Intellect = 1% Chance to Score a Critical Hit with Spells


Base Regen from Spirit - TheoryCraft Addon

IPPercent = Reflection Talent, Druid T2 3-Set Bonus, Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon, etc
Out of Combat = ((Spirit/10)+7.5)
In Combat = ((Spirit/10)+7.5)*ICPercent
Total Regen Per Second (TRPS) = (In/Out of Combat Formula) + (Total MP5)/5
Example of TRPS out of combat with 200 Spirit, and 10 MP5 = ((200/10)+7.5) + 10/5 = 27.5 + 2 = 29.5
Example of TRPS in combat with Reflection Talent, 200 Spirit, and 10 MP5 = ((200/10)+7.5)*0.15 + 10/5 = (27.5*0.15) + 2 = 4.125 + 2 = 6.125


Total Health Pool

Stamina < 20 = BaseHealth + (Stamina - 20)
Stamina >= 20 = BaseHealth + (10 * (Stamina - 20))
Night Elf Druid BaseHealth = 53
Tauren Druid BaseHealth = 78


Total Mana Pool

Intellect < 20 = BaseMana + (Intellect - 20)
Intellect >= 20 = BaseMana + (15 * (Intellect - 20))
Night Elf Druid BaseMana = 100
Tauren Druid BaseMana = 67




Role Orientated Formulas

Balance

Under Review


Feral

Cat Form: 1 Agility = 1 Attack Power


Restoration

Under Review




Conclusion

Under Review







Updates

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2017/02/15

Added more links from Archive.org
Added official starting stats for Druids
Added official level 60 stats for Druids
Added general formulas for druid attributes
Added formulas for calculating Health/Mana pool
Added formulas for calculating regen with spirit and MP5 items