Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by DrearyYew » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:59 am

Seeing as Nostysium... Elystalrius..? Whatever you want to call it, is on the horizon, I'll be resurrecting this thread.

Patch 1.9 Pre-Raid BiS

Helm: Insightful Hood - Cho'rush the Observer, DM N
Neck: Animated Chain Necklace - Ramstein, Strat UD
Shoulder: Mantle of Lost Hope - Lord Roccor, BRD
Cloak: Hide of the Wild - Crafted, LW
Chest: Robes of the Exalted - Baron Rivendare, Strat UD
Bracer: Gallant's Wristguards - Guard Fengus / Mol'dar / Slip'kik, DM N
Gloves: Harmonious Gauntlets - King Gordok, DM N
Belt: Corehound Belt - Crafted, LW
Legs: Padre's Trousers - Illyana Ravenoak, DM W
Boots: Boots of the Full Moon - Captain Kromcrush, DM N
Ring1: Rosewine Circle - Urok Doomhowl, LBRS
Ring2: Fordring's Seal - Quest, Strat Live
Trinket1: Mindtap Talisman - Magister Kalendris, DM W
Trinket2: Mindtap Talisman - Magister Kalendris, DM W
Main Hand: Hammer of Grace - The Seven Dwarves, BRD
Off Hand: Lei of the Lifegiver - Alterac Valley Exalted



Patch 1.9 BiS

Helm: Don Rigoberto's Lost Hat - Ouro, AQ40
Neck: Amulet of the Fallen God - C'Thun, AQ40
Shoulder: Wild Growth Spaulders - Majordomo Executus, MC
Cloak: Cloak of Clarity - C'Thun, AQ40
Chest: Robes of the Guardian Saint - Fankriss, AQ40
Bracer: Bracelets of Royal Redemption - Twin Emperors, AQ40
Gloves: Peacekeeper Gauntlets - Hakkar, ZG
Belt: Grasp of the Old God - C'Thun, AQ40
Legs: Legplates of Blazing Light - Battleguard Sartura, AQ40
Boots: Boots of Pure Thought - BWL Trash
Ring1: Pure Elementium Band - Nefarian, BWL
Ring2: Ring of the Martyr - Huhuran, AQ40
Trinket1: Rejuvenating Gem - Firemaw / Ebonroc / Flamegor, BWL
Trinket2: Scrolls of Blinding Light - Firemaw, BWL
Main Hand: Scepter of the False Prophet - C'Thun, AQ40
Off Hand: Sartura's Might - Battleguard Sartura
Libram: Libram of Divinity - Scholomance Mini Bosses
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by JCarrill0 » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:37 pm

DrearyYew wrote:Since the stickied thread is no longer being updated, and since I do maintain a list for my guild, here are my BiS lists for the various tiers. I will be including a spreadsheet including stat weights and point values assigned to each piece.

what do you mean? Nothing left to update for pre-raid bud ;)

DrearyYew wrote:Pre-Raid BiS

Helm: Insightful Hood
Neck: Animated Chain Necklace
Shoulder: Dawnbringer Shoulders
Cloak: Hide of the Wild
Chest: Robes of the Exalted
Bracer: Gallant's Wristguards
Gloves: Harmonious Gauntlets
Belt: Corehound Belt
Legs: Padre's Trousers
Boots: Boots of the Full Moon
Ring1: Fordring's Seal
Ring2: Ring of Demonic Guile
Trinket1: Briarwood Reed
Trinket2: Mindtap Talisman
Main Hand: Hammer of Grace
Off Hand: Lei of the Lifegiver


Seems the same thing I had given for advice on the Stickied thread.:
Karik wrote:Image

This is a list of the best items for a Holy Paladin outside of raids. This list was based on one compiled by JCarrill0 in this topic and posted here with his permission.

Image Head slot

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Image Waist slot

Image Legs slot

Image Feet slot

Image Wrist slot

Image Hands slot

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Image Trinkets slot

Image Back slot

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Image Relic slot - none currently obtainable
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by DrearyYew » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:05 am

That list has items not available in game yet, or features items after the AQ item update, which means those items are in game, but have shit pre-update stats.

That list also doesn't feature BiS gear sets for the various levels of play for players.
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by Gonzo » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:29 pm

Apologies if this is no longer being maintained.

I am curious to the BiS now that ZG has been released.

Obviously certain items will be replaced:
Neck (Jin'do's Evil Eye)
Gloves (Peacekeeper Gauntlets)

But what I am really curious about is the new trinkets:
Zandalarian Hero Charm
Binds when picked up
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Use: Increases your spell damage by up to 204 and your healing by up to 408 for 20 sec. Every time you cast a spell, the bonus is reduced by 17 spell damage and 34 healing. (cooldown 2 min)

Mar'li's Eye
Binds when picked up
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Use: Restores 60 mana every 5 sec for 30 sec. (cooldown 3 min)

How will those compare along with Rejuvenating gem or Shard of the scale? Obviously (if you can get your hands on it) Rejuvenating gem + Zandalarian Charm seems like the best combination. Or perhaps Rejuvenating gem + Mar'li's Eye (for mana). But that is merely my first impression.

What are your thoughts on this?
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by SV001 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:57 pm

Thanks alot for this!

Is the libram of divinity in game yet? http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=23201
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by Boonkin » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:39 pm

Any chance to get enchants list to go with gear as well?
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by DrearyYew » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:26 pm

Sorry to not reply earlier, I forgot about this thread, but thankfully I have kept my list on my guild forums up to date.

@Gonzo: ZHC is our 3rd best available trinket behind Rejuvenating Gem and Neltharion's Tear, but you should take ZHC over Neltharion's Tear until all of your Casters have Neltharion's for obvious reasons. ZHC is also currently bugged and isn't losing stacks with heals (at least for Paladins, only Consecrate seems to be removing ZHC stacks, I don't know about other classes) so ZHC is a really strong pick up right now. Scrolls of Blinding Light is another pickup that should be really strong as well, but I haven't got my hands in it quite yet.

As for Marli's Eye, I would rather have the Shard of the Scale. If you're using a MP5 trinket it's because you're having mana issues on a longer fight, and Shard of the Scale will give more mana regeneration even if you use Marli's on cooldown. Even Mindtap Talisman out of DM:E will give more mana in the same timespan.



@SV001: Librams are not in game yet, they will be when AQ is released.

@Boonkin: Enchants are fairly straightforward. Whatever gives +Heal or +Int are the best you can get. +MP5 is good at low gear levels, but once you get higher crit levels, MP5 goes out the window. I'll update the OP with the best enchants shortly.
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by Boonkin » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:39 am

thanks!
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by SV001 » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:09 pm

Hey,I want to ask a question, it seems that alot of pally are trying to have more heal power on this server.

Some people told me it's better to get mp5 capped and then get as much intel as possible ( crits=no mana spend.)

What are your tough on that?
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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

by DrearyYew » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:28 am

Illumination is the exact reason you don't want to get too much MP5. Ideally we stack enough Intellect and Crit to have a large enough mana pool to not need to worry about mana regen. Remember that each point of Spell Crit can be equated to a 1% cost reduction to our healing spells.

Mp5 is a shit stat for Paladins compared to Priests/Druids. You still want some, but you don't want nearly as much as a Priest or Druid wants. Mana isn't an issue for us, making +Healing extremely valuable.
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