Consecration (the battle for and with evidences)

[smilkovpetko]

http://vanilla-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Consecration
http://www.wow-one.com/forum/topic/4421-spell-bonus-coefficients/
http://cmangos.net/thread-6605.html
http://wow.allakhazam.com/wiki/spell_coefficient_(wow)
http://paladinsucks.blogspot.mk/2006_01_01_archive.html siff through the archives on the right side back to the dates with patch's and see if you can dig up anything.
http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forums/topic/9354-damage-coefficients/
http://paladin-guide.blogspot.com/ scroll down to the paladin part.
"+ healing and + spell damage


These items add a bonus to heals or damage spells. However the number advertised on the item doesn’t represent reality. Only a fraction of the total bonus is added on the spell depending on factor like casting time, etc.
From patch 1.10 we have this coefficients :

10% Seal of Righteousness with 1 handed weapon
12,5% Seal of Righteousness with 2 handed weapon
50% Judgement of Righteousness
20% Seal of Command
29% Seal of Command (only with +holy damage bonuses)
43% Judgement of Command
33% Consecration
43% Holy Shock
43% Hammer of Wrath
43% Exorcism
19% Holy Wrath
00% Blessing of Sanctuary ;_;
20% Holy Shield
00% Retribution Aura ;_;
71% Holy Light
43% Flash of Light
100% Eye for an Eye

This means for example that if you have +100 healing from items your holy light spell will get an increase of 71 hitpoints healed."

take a gander and see if you can spot anything about the AP and SP scaling.

anywho, off to bed. enjoy searching

All the links you posted with Consecration AP are either from Wotlk report ot another piracy servers, The videos i posted date from Vanilla and perfectly shows that Consecration should never scale with AP.

Nevertheless the Seal of Righteousness maybe people talk there 10% or 12% but in reality i did so many tests with this ability formula and all of them proved wrong.

The only formula that did match with the videos who date in vanilla was the formula used in late TBC for Seal of Righteousness where 9.2% per 1.0 weapon speed for 1h and 10.8% for 2h .

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... &start=120

Currently in nostalrius Seal of Righteousness is not doing even close damage to how much it suppose to do (even if we deny the formula) in retail videos shows that it did much higher than this server).

[Imbaslap]

the later sources are dating back to 1.8 when seal of fury and judgement of fury were in play. even some talking during 1.10.

the first few sources were just snippits on mangos to see if there was any issues back then getting it accurate.

check the last 2 links and start delving through the timestamps of 2005-2006 and find particular things about pallies in there. this is all retail sources and old mangos zero sources involving these particular issues with consecration.

(wotlk sources? how did you pull that out of your ass when the shit is dating back to 2005/2006? when the fuck did wotlk come out again? this is probably why Nano marked your shit invalid because you have no idea where to even look.) w.e, enjoy your bugged class on nostalrius.
http://paladin-guide.blogspot.com/2005/12/judgements.html (Saturday, December 17, 2005) / http://paladin-guide.blogspot.com/2005/12/other-abilities.html(Friday, December 16, 2005) = wotlk source according to smitnofuckingclue.
Consecration
Consecrates the land beneath the paladin in a 10 yds range doing X damage over 8 seconds to enemies who enter area. It’s a damage over time (dot) spell with an area of effect so every seconds it lasts only enemies that are still in the area (or who enter) take damage. The consecration damage is influenced by sanctity aura, judgement of the crusader and vengeance. It’s also influenced by +X spell damage items (33% of nominal effect). In this case the effect is added on total damage and then shared on every tick. This spell can’t crit.



Cooldown on this ability is 8 seconds so it’s spammable freely but as you can notice its mana cost is very high. Nevertheless it’s a powerful tool as it can add from 48 to 67 dps to your damage output against a single target, but obviously shines in a multiple target situation. Spamming a rank 1 consecration is a awesome anti-stealth rogues tool. It can also be casted when you’re shielding (BoP or divine shield) preventing your enemy from bandaging.




must suck to get stumped by someone who doesn't even play your class. back to the basement to do more research smitnofuckingclue.

[smilkovpetko]

the later sources are dating back to 1.8 when seal of fury and judgement of fury were in play. even some talking during 1.10.

the first few sources were just snippits on mangos to see if there was any issues back then getting it accurate.

check the last 2 links and start delving through the timestamps of 2005-2006 and find particular things about pallies in there.

there is no before or late Attack Power scaling note , neither patch note.(only wrong wikipedia set) and it came for first time during wrath of the lich king. Videos from 2006 prove this.

pre 1.9 patch was not "consecration damage' , it was only "ticks" regardless if consecration was rank 1 or 5.

Each tick of damage , regardless if the number is high or low doesn't matter, judge of fury and seal of fury was building enormous amount of threat . It was based to invisible threats and tick from damage .

even if you do 1 or 10 damage it will still do crazy amount of threats because it count as 1 tick .

[smilkovpetko]

Well Link was so kind and answer the reason why this have been in ignorance , Nano could have avoid whole arguing with me if he already said earlier about this :

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 9976_o.jpg

in reality it should not work with AP , but due to Mangos issue it will work this server with ap .

[Imbaslap]

Well Link was so kind and answer the reason why this have been in ignorance , Nano could have avoid whole arguing with me if he already said earlier about this :

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 9976_o.jpg

in reality it should not work with AP , but due to Mangos issue it will work this server with ap .

correct.
the issue is a mangos issue, IE core issue.
this means they would have to make a change to how those abilities interpret AP into their damage calculation. meaning this will need testing to ensure it doesn't break all the pally abilities after the change.

[Softarunt]

well it was correctly NOT scaling with AP on feenix 1.12 so not sure about this

[Theloras]

well it was correctly NOT scaling with AP on feenix 1.12 so not sure about this

before the core merge 2 years ago, it was scaling with AP on peenix

[Softarunt]

so how can it be that hard to fix?

[Theloras]

so how can it be that hard to fix?

dude, we still have Paladin bugs here on Nost that haven't even been CONFIRMED by IsVV yet...

Retribution Paladin bugs here on Nostalrius
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=25556

[SV001]

So, when AOE farming, should I stack strenght stuff so that consecration make more damage?