End Game Retribution BiS Forever.

[JCarrill0]

Based on how certain Paladin mechanics workon Nostalrius, what do you feel would be BiS for end Game Vanilla?

here is what I recommended for BiSf Ret:

Helm: Avenger's Crown
Neck: Stormrage's Talisman of Seething
Shoulder: Avenger's Pauldrons
Back: Shroud of Dominion
Chest: Avenger's Breastplate
Wrist: Wristguards of Vengeance
Hands: Gauntlets of the Righteous Champion
Belt: Girdle of the Mentor
Legs: Avenger's Legguards
Boots: Avenger's Greaves
Finger: Ring of the Qiraji Fury & Band of Unnatural Forces
Trinket: Kiss of the Spider & Drake Fang Talisman
Weapon: Might of Menethil
Relic: Libram of Fervor

Quote was dragged from another Forum post for a galaxy far far away.

[smilkovpetko]

Very BiS Gear Forever

Talent Tree
https://en.nostalrius.org/talents/palad ... 0512003150

Avenger's Crown
Item Level 81
Binds when picked up Head Plate
739 Armor
+12 Agility
+20 Strength
+22 Intellect
+12 Spirit
+22 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 5 81 53
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 23.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Avenger's Battlegear (0/5)
Avenger's Breastplate
Avenger's Crown
Avenger's Greaves
Avenger's Legguards
Avenger's Pauldrons
(3) Set: Increases the duration of your Judgements by 20%.
(5) Set: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 71.

Onyxia Tooth Pendant
Item Level 74
Binds when picked up Neck
+12 Agility
+9 Stamina
+10 Fire Resistance
Sell price: 67 14
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.

Avenger's Pauldrons
Item Level 78
Binds when picked up Shoulder Plate
659 Armor
+14 Agility
+18 Strength
+13 Intellect
+6 Spirit
+15 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 4 61 45
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 14.
Equip: Restores 3 mana per 5 sec.
Avenger's Battlegear (0/5)
Avenger's Breastplate
Avenger's Crown
Avenger's Greaves
Avenger's Legguards
Avenger's Pauldrons
(3) Set: Increases the duration of your Judgements by 20%.
(5) Set: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 71.

Cloak of Concentrated Hatred
Item Level 73
Binds when picked up Back Cloth
56 Armor
+16 Agility
+11 Strength
+15 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 3 86 77 Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Avenger's Breastplate
Item Level 88
Binds when picked up Chest Plate
985 Armor
+12 Agility
+23 Strength
+24 Intellect
+11 Spirit
+24 Stamina
Durability 165 / 165
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 9 94 63
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 18.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike with spells by 1%.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Avenger's Battlegear (0/5)
Avenger's Breastplate
Avenger's Crown
Avenger's Greaves
Avenger's Legguards
Avenger's Pauldrons
(3) Set: Increases the duration of your Judgements by 20%.
(5) Set: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 71.

Judgement Bindings
Item Level 76
Binds when picked up Wrist Plate
375 Armor
+9 Intellect
+8 Spirit
+21 Stamina
+9 Strength
Durability 55 / 55
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 2 78 89
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 7.
Judgement Armor (0/8)
Judgement Belt
Judgement Bindings
Judgement Breastplate
Judgement Crown
Judgement Gauntlets
Judgement Legplates
Judgement Sabatons
Judgement Spaulders
(3) Set: Increases the radius of a Paladin's auras by 10.
(5) Set: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 47.
(8) Set: Inflicts 60 to 67 additional Holy damage on the target of a Paladin's Judgement.

Marshal's Lamellar Gloves
Item Level 71
Binds when picked up
Unique Hands Plate
502 Armor
+18 Strength
+17 Stamina
+16 Intellect
Durability 55 / 55
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 1 14 29
Equip: Increases the Holy damage bonus of your Judgement of the Crusader by 20.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Field Marshal's Aegis (0/6)
Field Marshal's Lamellar Chestplate
Field Marshal's Lamellar Faceguard
Field Marshal's Lamellar Pauldrons
Marshal's Lamellar Boots
Marshal's Lamellar Gloves
Marshal's Lamellar Legplates
(2) Set: +20 Stamina.
(3) Set: Reduces the cooldown of your Hammer of Justice by 10 sec.
(6) Set: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 23.

Belt of the Grand Crusader
Item Level 85
Binds when picked up Waist Plate
536 Armor
+18 Strength
+18 Stamina
+18 Intellect
Durability 55 / 55
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 4 36 47
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 21.
Equip: Restores 7 mana per 5 sec.

Avenger's Legguards
Item Level 81
Binds when picked up Legs Plate
796 Armor
+12 Agility
+21 Strength
+22 Intellect
+9 Spirit
+22 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 7 9 52
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 16.
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: Restores 4 mana per 5 sec.
Avenger's Battlegear (0/5)
Avenger's Breastplate
Avenger's Crown
Avenger's Greaves
Avenger's Legguards
Avenger's Pauldrons
(3) Set: Increases the duration of your Judgements by 20%.
(5) Set: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 71.

Avenger's Greaves
Item Level 78
Binds when picked up Feet Plate
604 Armor
+13 Agility
+18 Strength
+14 Intellect
+6 Spirit
+18 Stamina
Durability 75 / 75
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 4 56 19
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 14.
Equip: Restores 4 mana per 5 sec.
Avenger's Battlegear (0/5)
Avenger's Breastplate
Avenger's Crown
Avenger's Greaves
Avenger's Legguards
Avenger's Pauldrons
(3) Set: Increases the duration of your Judgements by 20%.
(5) Set: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 71.

Band of Accuria
Item Level 78
Binds when picked up
Unique
Finger
+10 Stamina
+16 Agility
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 2 39 61
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 2%.

Band of Unnatural Forces
Item Level 85
Binds when picked up
Unique
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 6 2 56
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%.
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.
Equip: +52 Attack Power.

Heart of Wyrmthalak
Item Level 61
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 56
Sell price: 1 5 39
Equip: Chance to bathe your melee target in flames for 120 to 181 Fire damage.

Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom
Item Level 66
Binds when picked up
Unique Trinket
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 10 Equip: Chance to strike your melee target with lightning for 200 to 301 Nature damage.

Libram of Fervor
Item Level 65
Binds when equipped
Unique Relic Libram
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 1 91 38
Equip: Increases the melee attack power bonus of your Seal of the Crusader by 48 and the Holy damage increase of your Judgement of the Crusader by 33.

Might of Menethil
Item Level 89
Binds when picked up Two-hand Mace 289 - 435 Damage Speed 3.80
(95.3 damage per second)
+20 Strength
+46 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 163 23 28
Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 2%.

Enchants

Lesser Arcanum of Voracity
Item Level 50
Quest Item
Use: Permanently adds 8 agility to a leg or head slot item. Does not stack with other enchantments for the selected equipment slot.
expendable

Formula: Enchant Cloak - Lesser Agility
Item Level 45
Requires Enchanting (225)
Sell price: 12 50
Use: Teaches you how to permanently enchant a cloak so it grants +3 Agility.
expendable

Formula: Enchant Chest - Greater Stats
Item Level 62
Requires Enchanting (300)
Sell price: 75 Use: Teaches you how to permanently enchant a piece of chest armor to give +4 to each of the five attributes.
expendable

Formula: Enchant Bracer - Superior Strength
Item Level 59
Requires Enchanting (295)
Sell price: 60 Use: Teaches you how to permanently enchant a bracer to give +9 Strength.
expendable

Formula: Enchant Gloves - Superior Agility
Item Level 70
Binds when picked up
Requires Enchanting (300)
Sell price: 2 50 Use: Teaches you how to permanently enchant gloves to increase Agility by 15.
expendable

Formula: Enchant Boots - Greater Agility
Item Level 59
Requires Enchanting (295)
Sell price: 60 Use: Teaches you how to permanently enchant a pair of boots to grant +7 Agility.
expendable

Might of the Scourge
Item Level 60
Binds when picked up
Requires Level 60
Sell price: 1 Use: Permanently adds to a shoulder slot item increased Attack Power by 26 and also increases your chance to land a critical strike by 1%.
expendable

Alternative Equipment

Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros
Binds when picked up
Unique
Two-hand Mace
223 - 372 Damage Speed 3.70
(80.4 damage per second)
+12 Strength
+12 Stamina
+30 Fire Resistance
Durability 145 / 145
Requires Level 60
Chance on hit: Hurls a fiery ball that causes 273 to 334 Fire damage and an additional 75 damage over 10 sec.
Equip: Deals 5 Fire damage to anyone who strikes you with a melee attack.

Wristguards of True Flight
Binds when picked up
Wrist Mail
198 Armor
+19 Agility
+11 Stamina
+6 Intellect
Durability 50 / 50
Requires Level 60
Equip: Improves your chance to hit by 1%.

Hand of Justice
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 53
Equip: 2% chance on melee hit to gain 1 extra attack.
Equip: +20 Attack Power.

[JCarrill0]

These are all based on the Nostalrius Mechanics? I know this was your based on Feenix. They are the same?

[smilkovpetko]

These are all based on the Nostalrius Mechanics? I know this was your based on Feenix. They are the same?

Based on how certain Paladin mechanics workon Nostalrius, what do you feel would be BiS for end Game Vanilla?

^ let imagine like this , if i was able to preform with that style in peenix , due to SoC,JoC,Consecration working twice better here will just increase what i just had before.

I am 100% positive with my list and have faith in it.

[JCarrill0]

These are all based on the Nostalrius Mechanics? I know this was your based on Feenix. They are the same?

Based on how certain Paladin mechanics workon Nostalrius, what do you feel would be BiS for end Game Vanilla?

^ let imagine like this , if i was able to preform with that style in peenix , due to SoC,JoC,Consecration working twice better here will just increase what i just had before.

I am 100% positive with my list and have faith in it.

The thread was created based on this quote:

Based on how certain Paladin mechanics work on Nostalrius, what do you feel would be BiS for end Game Vanilla?

Please change your post accordingly, unless you think Feenix mechanics works the same as Nostalrius.

You posted based on how you fell it SHOULD work, not on how it IS working.

PS - why do you change it it Peenix? If they are going to ban you for saying Feenix, they will do the same for saying Peenix. (neither one are the actual name of the Project)

[smilkovpetko]

Based on how certain Paladin mechanics work on Nostalrius, what do you feel would be BiS for end Game Vanilla?

I don't understand how you can't accept it when i said my opinion already.

There have been discussion even regarding this long ago:

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 50#p247274

Seal of Command :

-Nostalrius: Scale with 100% Holy Damage (beneficial bug) , Scale properly with Spell Damage , Does not work with Sanctity Aura , Don't have Delay (which is not any big deal at all) , does Partial Resist .

-Peenix : Scale with 29% Holy Damage , Does not scale with Spell Damage , Does not work with Sanctity Aura , Have Delay (which is not any big deal at all) , does Partial Resist , Does Full Resist .

Judgement of Command :

-Nostalrius: Scale with 100% Holy Damage (beneficial bug) , Scale low with Spell Damage , Work properly with Sanctity Aura , does partial resist , does full resist.

-Peenix : Scale with 29% Holy Damage , Does not scale with Spell Damage , Does not work with sanctity Aura, 30% of casts did not do any damage or resist and just wasted your mana for nothing , does partial resist , does full resist .

Hammer of Wrath :

-Nostalrius : Scale with Spell Damage , can resist , does partial resist.

-Peenix : Scale with Spell Damage , can miss , does Partial resist.

Consecration :

-Nostalrius : Scale with Spell Damage 33% , Scale with Attack Power 33% (beneficial bug) , Hits for high Range , work with sanctity aura.

-Peenix : Static damage 80/tick , Scale with Spell damage 5% , Hits too low range and should be under Onyxia,Neffarian in order to work, work with sanctity aura.

Seal of the Crusader :

-Nostalrius: Increase Attack Power that can be abused for Consecration , Does not scale down each attack.

-Peenix : Increase Attack Power does not work with Consecration , It goes down damage each attack.

Proc items :

-Nostalrius : Proc normal , Scale with Spell Damage by high amount, does not proc Vengeance

-Peenix : Proc High , Scale extremely low with Spell damage , does not proc Vengeance

Holy Resistance :

Both servers Nostalrius and Peenix have same issue.

Yes i am 100% positive with the list i mention that work twice better with current Nostalrius Mechanic/Abilities and will have major improve on our DPS (significant if not even doubled) than i was doing in Peenix.

[rooik]

lol @ dukis list

darkmooncard m8, worst item out there for this server

[smilkovpetko]

lol @ dukis list

darkmooncard m8, worst item out there for this server

But scale pretty good with spell power which from next patch we gain pretty much of it + flask+elixir .

When you have enough +SP it would be twice higher than anything else.

[Theloras]

lol @ dukis list

darkmooncard m8, worst item out there for this server

But scale pretty good with spell power which from next patch we gain pretty much of it + flask+elixir .

When you have enough +SP it would be twice higher than anything else.

Yes, it scales well with spell dmg but its proc rate here on Nostalrius is abysmal at best with a 1-2% proc rate only:

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3760/lZo8iD.jpg

[rooik]

But scale pretty good with spell power which from next patch we gain pretty much of it + flask+elixir .

When you have enough +SP it would be twice higher than anything else.

you will get 1, maybe 2 procs in a fight. it aint worth it. the procrate is so bad