Alterac Valley status

[Thefilth]

You exploited, got caught and now cry, lovely tears

I did too.

I've been playing with LazyPig for months.

You probably are too.

These sanctions are absurd and unjustified. Premading AV has been a thing for over a decade and the method hasn't been changed during that time.
You should be giving them a medal for discovering the bug and unknowingly bringing it to your attention.

But let's move onto discussing bugs that actually matter. The multispawning archers. Can we fix it, right now, please?

[Garneet]

What happened with this AV relies is NOT a bug or anything. It was a script /script JoinBattlefield(0,1) and don’t try to put the blame on the community for something that your GM squad have no clue about what it seems. And don’t blame testers for hiding anything that was ok on retail that we go after as our guidelines when we are testing stuff for your server to get a better experience for the community.

Now to the issue with the “bug abuse” as you call it. It is a script that let you group que to ALL bgs. It works the same way as resetting instances with /script ResetInstances() or stopcast /Script SpellStopCasting(); It is a hidden interface you can say and can be shutdown by the server admins and it was allowed on retail in vanilla until wrath/cataclysm when blizzard chose to add those interfaces. Will you start to ban ppl for using those macros too sins you consider using scripts a “bug abuse”?

If this is the way you want to go about this then this project are no better then others that are out there that players left cuz of bad admins or GMs that just did what they wanted. Look at Feenix, one guy decide to be a dick and banning/calling out the community and 6 mouths after most of their servers died. I really don’t want to see that happening to this server.

And the way the GM went about it in Maitoz case, one of those who got banned was just stupid. GM told Maitoz that he had 1h to address this matter to server admin on forums and 20 mins later just straight out bans him with Monkeynews and Gilnash

Link of GM talk with Maitoz http://gyazo.com/1abcfdc77200c2027cd64f8c38aadfbb

Link to forum post by blizzard employee saying that this is totally fine on retail. It is in german but google translate it. Second post in tread.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071105193109/http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=106040636&sid=3
04.01.2007 18:44:52 UTC
“any instruction that accesses the .lua interface can be used by the player” translated.”

I hope Nostalrius clear up this shit cuz this is just a huge bad call from Nostalrius side.

Sorry for bad english

[Plask]

How the fuck could that /script shit possibly be known on a PTR that had a maximum of one single game up and no raid was formed? Everyone just queued straight into it.

You ban two of the first R14 players over using a macro to something that can easily be done on voice communication anyways? You are ruining your server over this shitty BG which btw having played like 20+ avs today is probably the buggiest piece of shit I've ever seen

you should be ashamed you even released it in that state + not to mention the patch its self is shit, you're missing tons of items and you randomly put in half the rep rewards, let people buy them then took them away

complete mongoloids, rip nostalrius its been going downhill for weeks and now u rush out this garbage bg where the warmasters aggro from 300m away and drek hits for 100 dmg and 40+ bowmen spawn per tower and one shot anyone that rides by, completely ignoring the feedback people did give you on the PTR

So, people that are testers are abusing known bugs to their advantage and expect to not get punished? These players are testing the content on the testrealm and then abusing it on live server.. GGWP. Do us a favor and ban said players from the testrealm aswell - players using the testing to abuse bugs aren't fit for testing IMO.

And your arguments reeks of selfishness, are you saying that because there is bugs in AV and it's not as good as promised that players have the right to exploit it? That's some great logic, infact why don't we let everyone exploit the bugs since it's not our fault it's bugged?

When did people get so retarded, stop defending them and let them take the punishment. If anything it should be more harsh because they got almost exalted in a few hours - something that should take up to a week when playing alot.

[Eyrin]

So, people that are testers are abusing known bugs to their advantage and expect to not get punished? These players are testing the content on the testrealm and then abusing it on live server.. GGWP. Do us a favor and ban said players from the testrealm aswell - players using the testing to abuse bugs aren't fit for testing IMO.

And your arguments reeks of selfishness, are you saying that because there is bugs in AV and it's not as good as promised that players have the right to exploit it? That's some great logic, infact why don't we let everyone exploit the bugs since it's not our fault it's bugged?

When did people get so retarded, stop defending them and let them take the punishment. If anything it should be more harsh because they got almost exalted in a few hours - something that should take up to a week when playing alot. These guys got the job done pretty quick.. now they can get some sun and come back when everyone starts getting exalted.

What the hell are you talking about?

There was no exploit or bug being abused in the first place.

Read whole thread first before replying...

[zarzer]

So, people that are testers are abusing known bugs to their advantage and expect to not get punished? These players are testing the content on the testrealm and then abusing it on live server.. GGWP. Do us a favor and ban said players from the testrealm aswell - players using the testing to abuse bugs aren't fit for testing IMO.

And your arguments reeks of selfishness, are you saying that because there is bugs in AV and it's not as good as promised that players have the right to exploit it? That's some great logic, infact why don't we let everyone exploit the bugs since it's not our fault it's bugged?

When did people get so retarded, stop defending them and let them take the punishment. If anything it should be more harsh because they got almost exalted in a few hours - something that should take up to a week when playing alot.

Please read the whole thread without speaking. This is not an exploit, which is confirmed by blizzard. It existed in the game during multiple expansions.
The fact that nostalrius does not want to honor that is on them. Anyone who played Vanilla knows that these scripts were a thing and that blizzard were ok with them

[Brian]

so nobody can premade AV now?
i see a certain horde premading stomping pugs in AV like crazy atm.
it got 12ppl with +R12 and allot of ppl with +R10's
is this now srsly going to be allowed when others get rep removed / banned for this shit?

[Trum]

Alterac Valley status

Sadly, it's full of bug

[sidesprang]

How the fuck could that /script shit possibly be known on a PTR that had a maximum of one single game up and no raid was formed? Everyone just queued straight into it.

You ban two of the first R14 players over using a macro to something that can easily be done on voice communication anyways? You are ruining your server over this shitty BG which btw having played like 20+ avs today is probably the buggiest piece of shit I've ever seen

you should be ashamed you even released it in that state + not to mention the patch its self is shit, you're missing tons of items and you randomly put in half the rep rewards, let people buy them then took them away

complete mongoloids, rip nostalrius its been going downhill for weeks and now u rush out this garbage bg where the warmasters aggro from 300m away and drek hits for 100 dmg and 40+ bowmen spawn per tower and one shot anyone that rides by, completely ignoring the feedback people did give you on the PTR

So, people that are testers are abusing known bugs to their advantage and expect to not get punished? These players are testing the content on the testrealm and then abusing it on live server.. GGWP. Do us a favor and ban said players from the testrealm aswell - players using the testing to abuse bugs aren't fit for testing IMO.

And your arguments reeks of selfishness, are you saying that because there is bugs in AV and it's not as good as promised that players have the right to exploit it? That's some great logic, infact why don't we let everyone exploit the bugs since it's not our fault it's bugged?

When did people get so retarded, stop defending them and let them take the punishment. If anything it should be more harsh because they got almost exalted in a few hours - something that should take up to a week when playing alot.

You are a fking retard, can you not read? How the fk did we know about the abuse when there was one game open at the time on PTR? You to dumb to realize we could not have known about it. Get your head out of your ass and think some time and stop being so fking salty cause you do not have PTR access tho you prolly will now, gl hf testing and repoting stuff for it not being fixed anyhow. Tho you only want it so you can practice for BWL race but you will still lose anyhow. Unless everyone quits and you can finally come first like on ED.

[Plask]

So, people that are testers are abusing known bugs to their advantage and expect to not get punished? These players are testing the content on the testrealm and then abusing it on live server.. GGWP. Do us a favor and ban said players from the testrealm aswell - players using the testing to abuse bugs aren't fit for testing IMO.

And your arguments reeks of selfishness, are you saying that because there is bugs in AV and it's not as good as promised that players have the right to exploit it? That's some great logic, infact why don't we let everyone exploit the bugs since it's not our fault it's bugged?

When did people get so retarded, stop defending them and let them take the punishment. If anything it should be more harsh because they got almost exalted in a few hours - something that should take up to a week when playing alot.

Please read the whole thread without speaking. This is not an exploit, which is confirmed by blizzard. It existed in the game during multiple expansions.
The fact that nostalrius does not want to honor that is on them. Anyone who played Vanilla knows that these scripts were a thing and that blizzard were ok with them

What you're suggesting is that a private server with completely different staff situation should apply Blizzard ToS, which is completely retarded. Infact, just because Blizzard did it a certain way doesn't neccesarily mean it was the best way to do it even. Stop crying that you cannot use a script to get more easy reputation without risking a ban, it's fair and the best solution until the script can be prevented.

You are a fking retard, can you not read? How the fk did we know about the abuse when there was one game open at the time on PTR? You to dumb to realize we could not have known about it. Get your head out of your ass and think some time and stop being so fking salty cause you do not have PTR access tho you prolly will now, gl hf testing and repoting stuff for it not being fixed anyhow. Tho you only want it so you can practice for BWL race but you will still lose anyhow. Unless everyone quits and you can finally come first like on ED.

I see, "we did not know". So are you saying these players didn't intentionally abuse the script, instead unknowingly got with the premade into the same AV every time without noticing? It's pretty far fetched. I don't know what this has to do with ED, or which person clears BWL the fastest has to do with anything. Cut it out with the childish attitude; feigning ignorance and flaming me completely off topic.. I guess you didn't have anything significant to come with to being with.

[DeeMarie]

So basically if you spend your time testing for Nostalrius and don't even consider reporting something that isn't a bug because a) it never came up and b) was considered legitimate by Blizz, but might possibly be considered a bug by the devs, you're screwed.

Why on earth would anyone consider testing BWL and future content now when those people trying to help have been treated in this way? I don't premade, I barely pvp but even I can see this was a shabby way to treat those people.