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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by Undertanker » Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:54 pm

While I agree with the majority of what he says, as well classes should be judged from top performance. If you play as "average joe / run of the mill player" and I know you are underperforming you will be sidelined for a person playing competitively with the gear they have.

That being said....

You really need to stop hijacking threads. It pisses me off when people post opinion and false speculation but the negativity you bring will never convince the already impressionable player into your line of thinking with crude force.

Participate in a discussion rather than being a forum tyrant. Being more approachable means your points of view will be as well.
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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by Edz » Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:47 am

Pretty sure lulleh was a warrior not a shadow priest, must have deleted his char and created that as a placeholder. So those logs your posting don't reflect shadow priest dps.
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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by TheFishyOne » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:33 am

Good guide, man!

Although I agree with Duki in that every spec (In this case Ret Pallies) has a place in the right raid, and that they can be excellent at that role (on my server in Vanilla, a Ret Pally named Greyice was one of the most respected/feared people in a BG, and his raid DPS was nucking futs), it would be wise to remember that this video is aimed at newbs who likely aren't going to reach the same skill cap coming out of the gqate as a veteran of one of the top 10 guilds. When looked at it that way, it gives a very good general idea of what an average player can likely expect as that class.

My only critique is that your evaluations seem to be VERY slanted toward PvE, particularly with Mages, as you made no mention of their Frost based cc (or survivability). A 60 Gnomish Frost Mage in Vanilla is so damn slippery and deadly, that only they can rightfully be called Magnificent Lil' Bastards. Then again, PvP was likely beyond the scope of what you were trying to do. Maybe a seperate PvP video in the future? =)
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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by Santana » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:23 am

Class viability should be judged at the highest level of play. Else you risk dumbing things down to retail WoW, and obviously none of us want that or else we wouldn't be on Nost.
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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by Theloras » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:40 am

Not trying to derail here - simply providing a bit of Nostalrius specific context here - so don't hate...

All things being equal, Rets are currently behind the 8-ball here on Nostalrius as can be seen below:

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 56#p178488

Seal/Judgement of Command and weapon/item procs
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2839

Sanctity Aura
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1344

[Paladin]Two Consecrations won't stack
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1160

All AOE Spells Consuming a Debuff Slot
http://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1421

Seal of Command (Delay)
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1289

seal of Command Absorb Shield
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1416

[PALADIN] Vengeance not proccing on "spell" crits
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2825

Benediction (doesn't work with SoC or SotC)
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1307

Holy Resistance is on trash and bosses in BWL
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2871

Basically, none of our talents/spells/abilities either work properly or are even able to function at all in a 40man raid due to bugged debuff slots or the 8 debuff slot limit.

On the plus side however, $hits gonna get real for multiple Retribution Paladins and SMITE PRIESTS once 16 debuff slots open up with the ZG patch because:

Re: Multiple Judgement of Crusade should not be Bannable
by Nano » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:25 am

No one has been banned for this and they won't because it's working as intended. This whole thread has run its course.


viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25589&start=30#p182280

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2597

At least on the Alliance side :P
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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by Rylox » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:20 am

Did this guy actually just think Lulleh DPS was shadowpriest WTFBBQ?
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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by smilkovpetko » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:49 am

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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by Rylox » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:20 am

So he rebuttals with a chromag that had every vuln as shadow.... what a classic.
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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by smilkovpetko » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:59 am

Yeah Kezzik , i was wrong , i apologize for my behavior i was rude or even Tyrant.

You are Correct 100% , and quite helpful so i finally understood .

-Paladins are always getting Boost , they always have 8 judgements (3 jow,5 jotc) they have always Power Infusion , they have always Innervates . I was wrong.
-Warlock is never boosted , neither by Healers to Lifetap , neither by 4 Debuff slots from other Warlocks or Shadow Priest.

I was Wrong!

-Shadow Priest always get Boosted by Warlocks , always uses his SWP dot , always eating Power Infusion , always eating Innervates .

-You are Correct !.

-8 Debuffs , Shadow Priest should never be in Raid, especially Retribution Paladin.
-Paladins don't have bugged Abilities , i am just bad person trash talking , yeah it work everything Purple .
-Mages Ignite is not Bugged in Favor , not rly! Why would they be , even there is Confirmation but i suppose Nostalrius or reporter is wrong. https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2915

Yeah you are correct , Shadow priest aren't taken to raids because of the 8 debuff slots (TRUE). They run out of mana easily (TRUE). They do not have the same dps as the top dps classes (TRUE).

The links i posted are False , yeah the Shadow Priest is not doing 1k DPS that is some person that hack and wrote those numbers there.
Also in the Video you just show the "Average" "run-of-the-mill" DPS , who did care why there was only Top50# there.
My screenshots are false , I code those numbers there on the Meters , neither i do Top DPS as Tank in my Dungeons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV1IQebOaBs , yeah they are AoE and my Return damage is too High . Retribution Aura op - 25 Dmg per hit , Sanctuary 35 Dmg per hit.

You are Correct , Hunters are Good DPS , Maybe Best DPS unlike Paladin that is No DPS. Or maybe PVP.
You did your best, and yeah Nobody should Play Retri,Spriest because they are no dps and should never dps.

Lovely help for Newbies , i guess i was completely rude person .

That's me , my opinion.

Have you ever played Vanilla before ?
I have , i been there and i seen
5 Paladins top notch the Naxx 40 man eating Undeads!
We was PvP Gods
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That's not because i am not trying
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Wondering which Class to play
Every Class is good and equal

Regardless of role and spec.
Play what you enjoy
Talk what you know about
Minmax is just elitism
Any raid can be done with 30 People

Try Warlock without Lifetap Heals
Don't use Boosts
Test his DPS 3 Minutes
Enjoy in the Game.
I am out of this Topic.
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Re: Wondering which class to play? Look here.

by Kezzik » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:44 am

Wow, what is wrong with this guy?
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