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Retribution Palading viable?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:31 pm
by eqwoop
Is retribution paladin viable both pve and pvp?I really want to play one but i don't want to switch to holy and wait till i get enough gear or even then just doing mediocre dps.Of course i dont expect top be top 2-3 dps but is it really that bad?

Re: Retribution Palading viable?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:38 pm
by St0rfan
eqwoop wrote:Is retribution paladin viable both pve and pvp?I really want to play one but i don't want to switch to holy and wait till i get enough gear or even then just doing mediocre dps.Of course i dont expect top be top 2-3 dps but is it really that bad?


No. It isnt viable for PvE. For PvP I dont know.

Re: Retribution Palading viable?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:51 pm
by Ana
Some people will tell you retri is more than viable for PvE. In fact, any paladin spec is.
It so happens that those people are almost uniformly insane.

I'm not necessarily saying this suggests something, but you'd better do some careful research and consideration on your own, without relying on "experts", if you're going to invest time into the character and get your hopes up.

Re: Retribution Palading viable?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:55 am
by moodirun123
Yes it is viable and Retri Paladins do bring something to a raid ...but youre still going to get a lot of morons that are gonna say blah blah cant dps blah blah numbers this and that ...blah blah ... bottom line..Do you enjoy playing Ret? If so play it .. any guild of experienced players know there is a spot for 1 or 2 atmost ret paladins and 1 feral for every raid because they bring just that much more utility than their commonly played specs maybe even more depending on the skill of rest of raid .. so if you enjoy don't let anyone tell you to do other wise

Re: Retribution Palading viable?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:57 am
by moodirun123
St0rfan wrote:
eqwoop wrote:Is retribution paladin viable both pve and pvp?I really want to play one but i don't want to switch to holy and wait till i get enough gear or even then just doing mediocre dps.Of course i dont expect top be top 2-3 dps but is it really that bad?


No. It isnt viable for PvE. For PvP I dont know.



yes its viable... and for pvp its one of the most viable classes there it is .. speccd prot/ret for reckbombs Ret pally will put out up to 20k dmg in one shot ( BiS ) 1shot killing any other class no matter how geared they are

Re: Retribution Palading viable?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:25 pm
by DrearyYew
There's no doubting that Holy is a superior spec to Ret. Ret in terms of pure DPS are a pretty weak class, but in terms of raid utility are quite valuable if you actually use your utility instead of tunnel visioning boss. If a guild has an abundance of Holy Paladins, however, the desire for a Ret is pretty much zero. With that said, you can still raid as Ret, just don't expect a raid spot in a tryhard guild.

In terms of PvP, Ret is much more viable, but again, is more there for utility than for damage. The worst thing a Ret can do in group PvP is to Freedom themselves... I just facepalm when I see this shit. Too easy to kite a Paladin, use Freedom on a Warrior. You are there for the utility, meaning using Sacrifice to artificially increase someones health pool (and make yourself immune to CCs like Polymorph, Sap, and Blind), or BoP a squishy target that is being focused by melee, or Freedom an Arms Warrior, or throw a heal every once in a while. IMO the best place for a Ret Paladin is not the frontline, but in the back with the healers and casters, as Rogues will most likely be waiting to pick off squishier targets, and you can support from a distance with your utility, then peel for your healers. This avoids your one biggest weakness, which is being kited. Ret Paladins also have the advantage of being probably the hardest matchup for a Rogue 1v1. Rogues want to end fights quickly, and they absolutely cannot do that against a Paladin.

With that said, in PvP, Holy Paladins are still more viable than Ret because Holy Paladin is by far the best PvP healer, and it's not even close. 15% silence and interrupt immunity AURA with Improved Concentration Aura, 10% fear and disorient immunity, personal full immunity with Divine Shield, 10s physical immunity useable on others, plate wearing class with a shield and easily accessible and extremely potent shield talents, extremely high mana efficiency, full pushback immunity, 50% pushback immunity AURA, 16s Freedom on a 20s CD, immunity to Sap, Blind, Polymorph, and any CC that breaks on damage... I honestly don't understand why people rolled Horde for PvP. Racials don't mean shit when Alliance have Holy Paladins.

Re: Retribution Palading viable?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:48 pm
by Mirabai
There are two ways to raid as a retribution paladin:

Join a bad guild.

Reach officer-status within a guild and force them to accept your respec.

If you're fine with that, go ahead and make a retri paladin. If not, steer clear.