Info about classes' value

[Theloras]

That people refer to it as "cheesing the meters" implies that people see through the only reason it is done. (...) They don't look more impressive to intelligent people outside because it is known what they are doing and it provides not a single tangible improvement in the execution of the fight.

As evidenced by several pages of a somewhat retarded discussion, there's quite a number of people who don't quite "see through" this thing. They'll go to quite some length to deny the cheesing, in fact, and jump at the first opportunity to throw a Golemagg fight link in your face in order to prove that retridin is good dps, or whatever else they happen to be advocating at the moment.
Would you say they're not intelligent? Or do you only have vitriol to spare for me?


What was that point I was supposedly trying to make, again? The one that's refuted, you know.

no your argument was destroyed cause we didn't cheese the meters by AoEing the Core Ragers idiot...

[Imbaslap]

tales loves cheese.
confirmed on stream.
everything he eats has cheese on it.

[Theloras]

tales loves cheese.
confirmed on stream.
everything he eats has cheese on it.

I can't say anything about Tale's raid since I'm not in his guild nor did I watch the stream - but we sure as $hit didn't cheese the meters by AoEing the Core Ragers and our overall DPS was almost identical to Tale's so...

[Stumps]

That people refer to it as "cheesing the meters" implies that people see through the only reason it is done. (...) They don't look more impressive to intelligent people outside because it is known what they are doing and it provides not a single tangible improvement in the execution of the fight.

As evidenced by several pages of a somewhat retarded discussion, there's quite a number of people who don't quite "see through" this thing. They'll go to quite some length to deny the cheesing, in fact, and jump at the first opportunity to throw a Golemagg fight link in your face in order to prove that retridin is good dps, or whatever else they happen to be advocating at the moment.
Would you say they're not intelligent? Or do you only have vitriol to spare for me?


What was that point I was supposedly trying to make, again? The one that's refuted, you know.

You can't turn around and play the victim because someone has called you on what you are doing. If you don't like what they say, you insult and mock them. And yes I would say that anyone who uses artificially improved data to make their point is unintelligent. Intelligent people see through it. Golemagg is a single target encounter. Anything that treats it as anything other than one is flawed. Anyone who quotes it as a non single target fight because others use it to artificially bolster their numbers is also flawed. This is what you did and then proceded to insult and mock people who called you on it.

No smoke and mirrors, no spinning it around claiming there is an agenda against you or that people are saving vitriol for you. You reap what you sow.

[Theloras]

That people refer to it as "cheesing the meters" implies that people see through the only reason it is done. (...) They don't look more impressive to intelligent people outside because it is known what they are doing and it provides not a single tangible improvement in the execution of the fight.

As evidenced by several pages of a somewhat retarded discussion, there's quite a number of people who don't quite "see through" this thing. They'll go to quite some length to deny the cheesing, in fact, and jump at the first opportunity to throw a Golemagg fight link in your face in order to prove that retridin is good dps, or whatever else they happen to be advocating at the moment.
Would you say they're not intelligent? Or do you only have vitriol to spare for me?


What was that point I was supposedly trying to make, again? The one that's refuted, you know.

You can't turn around and play the victim because someone has called you on what you are doing. If you don't like what they say, you insult and mock them. And yes I would say that anyone who uses artificially improved data to make their point is unintelligent. Intelligent people see through it. Golemagg is a single target encounter. Anything that treats it as anything other than one is flawed. Anyone who quotes it as a non single target fight because others use it to artificially bolster their numbers is also flawed. This is what you did and then proceded to insult and mock people who called you on it.

No smoke and mirrors, no spinning it around claiming there is an agenda against you or that people are saving vitriol for you. You reap what you sow.

+1 to Stumps

[Aslan]

wait you guys arent trolling? you let your melee shoot their bow pre-15% when letting their stacks tick away and dont see how it gimps dps on the boss? i need to know.. no troll?

[Theloras]

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=28549

My boy Smiter Retting it up in Molten Core tonight - too bad it's for a $hitty guild like Luminous Force - cause their loot policies absolutely fucking blow and are so corrupt that MS>OS means fuck all to them:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 59&Fight=1
http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... ayer=Artorìas
- Flameguard Gauntlets to a HOLY Paladin last week

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 92&Fight=0
http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... er=Tenzaru
- Chromatic Boots to a PROT Warrior who doesn't even fucking know how much +hit warriors need for PvP on Monday

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 49&Fight=9
http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... yer=Arkade
- and tonight in MC where they gave Onslaught Girdle to another PROT Warrior so that he can use in PVP

And this is after not enough of their CORE members logged on for tonight's raid and I offered to put on my healing gear and heal for tonight's raid...

Are you sensing that I told them to go FCUK themselves and quit this corrupt guild?

[Ana]

Golemagg is a single target encounter. Anything that treats it as anything other than one is flawed. Anyone who quotes it as a non single target fight because others use it to artificially bolster their numbers is also flawed. This is what you did and then proceded to insult and mock people who called you on it.

You realise it's other people who brought a Golemagg record into the discussion as "evidence" and myself who called them out on the bullshit, not the other way around, right? It seems to me you're trying very hard to interpret this whole discussion in as distorted a way as humanly possible, for reasons unknown to me.


@2x up
Why would melee let their stacks go away? They can just hack through it.

[Aslan]

Sure, if you got a semi decent guild that can bring it down before you reach critical 25-30+ stacks, by now I dont bother with the dogs anymore myself.

However if your guild does it a little more casual or if you are undergeared with like 3-3.5k hp (its quite ignorant to just say 'everyone can do it' btw) the dogs arent only upkeep dps, you go there to build rage, flurry, combo points/snd uptime. I guess its semi-useful as warrior.

[Theloras]

Golemagg is a single target encounter. Anything that treats it as anything other than one is flawed. Anyone who quotes it as a non single target fight because others use it to artificially bolster their numbers is also flawed. This is what you did and then proceded to insult and mock people who called you on it.

You realise it's other people who brought a Golemagg record into the discussion as "evidence" and myself who called them out on the bullshit, not the other way around, right? It seems to me you're trying very hard to interpret this whole discussion in as distorted a way as humanly possible, for reasons unknown to me.

It was you who brought in lie after lie with this thread - first with your bullshit data parse that doesn't take into account if a Paladin heals during a particular boss fight or over an entire raid - then you said that both Talesavo and I cheesed Golemag when we didn't.

You're a fucking liar bro, pure and simple...