crusader OH vs 15 agility

[preasmd]

Why are so many rogues using 15 agility on their OH? Crusader double stacks on this server. Am I wrong in assuming crusader on a fast OH and high hit rating is not better than 15 agility?

[killdashnine]

Swords?

I think its very close to be honest. When I started getting pre-raid BiS gear I had dual crusader on dal'rends.
If you can time your cooldowns with a double stack its very good, like Blade Flurry with Blood Fury.

15agi is always online tho, you always have 0.5% crit and 15ap, its reliable and less skill/rng dependent.

The proc chance of crusader is quite buggy, as it can proc of all kind of things (e.g. dodge).

Also: dual crusader is way more fun.

Just my thoughts with no data to back it up.

[Slicy]

You will very rarely have 2 crusader procs up at the same time on a boss.

The whole point of Crusader is to be able to pool your energy around it and pop all your CDs once you get a proc during a close to ideal situation (aka you will have more or less 15secs of uptime on the boss).

Simple reasoning to compare Crusader vs 15 agi, both for MH & OH :

- Crusader is based on 1 PPM iirc (feel free to correct me though). Meaning you can expect 1 proc to occur every minute on the paper.
- Most bosses (it's around 80% of current bosses for me) will die way before the 1 min mark. The chances you don't get a proc on a boss fight are therefore pretty high.

Example : Some bosses in MC will die in around 15 secs, meaning you can't afford to wait for a Crusader proc. You need to use your CDs as soon as the boss is engaged. In 15 secs the chances you get a Crusader proc are garbage tbh. You're playing lottery with your dps at this point.

Conclusion : Even on MH, 15 agi would be more reliable and consistent. Crusader would be preferred if you're getting long fights (above 1 minute at least) where you get a melee uptime for most of it and you can afford to save your CDs when a proc happens.

This whole reasoning is different for trash mobs. Especially if you have little to no melee downtime when switching from a trash mob and pack to another.

I'd say it depends on your playstyle and how fast stuff is dying in your raids (go for the enchant with the glow you prefer )

In short : Crusader for frustrating casino dps, 15 agi for consistency.

[vido]

Crusader uptime is modified by instants and haste buffs, the 1PPM only applies to unhastened auto swings.

Basically the proc rate is unhastened wep speed/60 afaik.

[Youfie]

Crusader uptime is modified by instants and haste buffs, the 1PPM only applies to unhastened auto swings.

Basically the proc rate is unhastened wep speed/60 afaik.

This.

[preasmd]

So then crusader OH is still better? Apparently a lot of people are rocking 15 agility because they don't know crusader double stacks on this server. Kind of sad

[TaurenRogue]

So then crusader OH is still better? Apparently a lot of people are rocking 15 agility because they don't know crusader double stacks on this server. Kind of sad

for most part for bwl/mc fights as swords use agi oh, as daggers its debatable but on average id use 2x crusader...

[Bluefear]

So then crusader OH is still better? Apparently a lot of people are rocking 15 agility because they don't know crusader double stacks on this server. Kind of sad

Crusader is better mh than oh due to instant swings (SS). Agi on OH beats out crusader OH unless you get crazy procs. I would expect agi mh to beat crusader mh if rogues did not have any instant attacks

[preasmd]

again that would be dependent on the offhand speed. the slower the OH the more value 15 agi gains

[Youfie]

again that would be dependent on the offhand speed. the slower the OH the more value 15 agi gains

Given how Crusader proc works, I don't see why.