Botmaster5 wrote:http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_hit -> "The effect of Hit chance on Critical Hit chance"Overall chance to crit over all spells cast is thus affected by hit rate. To calculate overall crit rate, multiplying the two chances together:

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`crit rate over all spell casts = crit * hit`

For example, a caster with no spell hit rating gear or talents, against a mob 3 levels higher (83% hit chance), and 30% crit rating from gear and talents:

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`crit rate over all spell casts = 30% * 83% = 24.9%`

In addition, direct damage spells suffer from partial resistance, but again, that has no effect on whether a spell hits or not.

im currently on the road, but will be home tomorrow to continue the debate.

Ummm, I don't dispute this and I'm not sure why you think this is even relevant to anything I said.

I said three things:

1. That blue post is in reference to the MELEE white damage combat table.

2. That blue quote does not say what you think it does. It is talking about a 1 roll system (melee white damage) where casters have a 2 roll system (does the spell hit? Does the spell crit?)

3. You did use appropriately use the theorycrafting of hit/crit correctly, but you factored in your miss chance twice when calculating the total amount of crits you get on a cast. Your own quote spells this out:

Overall chance to crit over all spells cast is thus affected by hit rate. To calculate overall crit rate, multiplying the two chances together:

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`crit rate [b][u]over all spell casts[/u][/b] = crit * hit`

For example, a caster with no spell hit rating gear or talents, against a mob 3 levels higher (83% hit chance), and 30% crit rating from gear and talents:

*emphasis added

Notice it says ALL SPELLS CAST. "Spells that were misses" are included with "all spells cast" because "spells that were misses" are a subset of the set of "all spells cast." Therefore it is erroneous to apply the miss chance to the spells that are in the subset of "spells that were hits" because they can no longer miss since they were already determined to be hits.

The calculation is either 1000*.83*.15 or it is 830*.15.

You are calculating 1000*.83*(.83*.15)

You are calculating miss chance twice, as I just illustrated by comparing the correct way of calculating crit versus how you are.

This isn't complicated.

BTW, there is no debate with respect to this. All of this was calculated years ago. You're not adding anything new here (except calculating your miss chance twice and as a result spreading misinformation).