Orc or ud for pvp, wpvp ?

[kavinskyr]

Topic says it all:)

Discuss masters of darkness

[Fenja]

Orc, you barely get feared as a Warlock, but stunned all the time.
UD looks cooler though, but Orc is full tryhard.

[Noxm]

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... =Ud+or+ORc

[kavinskyr]

Thanks for the feedback so far, though for min Max purpose I find warlock and rogue very different when comparing racials, That's why i pop this question for experienced warlocks too differ their opinion on the matter.

Best regards

[Numi]

Thanks for the feedback so far, though for min Max purpose I find warlock and rogue very different when comparing racials, That's why i pop this question for experienced warlocks too differ their opinion on the matter.

Best regards

Orc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undead.

You always have at least one way to break fear, in felhunter. There's no reason to pick yet another one when a single dispel from a healer is enough to nullify your racial.

Orc 25% stun resistance is insanely overpowered.

[Baalls]

Thanks for the feedback so far, though for min Max purpose I find warlock and rogue very different when comparing racials, That's why i pop this question for experienced warlocks too differ their opinion on the matter.

Best regards

You always have at least one way to break fear, in felhunter. There's no reason to pick yet another one when a single dispel from a healer is enough to nullify your racial.

Orc 25% stun resistance is insanely overpowered.

I prefer to keep the felhunter dispel for support situations on teammates. WoTF for fear. UD > orc

[Drain]

Undead is the hands down better choice here. Almost all of the racials are useful, technically all if you're too lazy to cast breath. Orc however has weapon skill on a spell caster... and you can't even use the weapon type. Then there's melee attack power... with a healing debuff. Is anyone stupid enough to think these are useful? The pet bonus barely does anything on Warlock in Classic either. You need a Felguard for it to mean anything. All you really get is the stun resist, which as I explained in a Rogue thread, isn't dependable and not worth taking over a guaranteed fear removal. With stun resist, 75% of the time, you still eat the stun. With Will of the Forsaken, 100% of the time, you remove the fear. Undead also has Cannibalize. Eating corpses is useful when you have Life Tap. Tap tap tap eat corpse... Shadow Resist isn't bad either. Not only can you resist fears with it, but you take less damage from all of the nastiest dots.

Taking Orc over Undead means dropping reliable racials with guaranteed effects for a single racial that does nothing the majority of the time. Don't try to tell me your +5% Imp or Succubus damage is ever going to mean anything. Warlocks don't even damage with their pets in dungeons or raids, not unless you want it to instantly die. You either just eat the pet for a buff or have the Imp sit in Phase Shift so it doesn't die. Shadow resist more useful and on boss fights that fear the raid, so is Will of the Forsaken.

[kavinskyr]

If you look at the population, and With the small amount of Warlocks(mulitple fears) compared too rogues/Warriors/Paladins. I start too see the edge of orc racial in a New light. As rogues often goes for cheap/kidney. There are good odds of one of them failing vs the orc racial, and can easily change the fight.
I think I will make and orc Lock, but thanks so far guys

[Darkwinjax]

Undead is the hands down better choice here. Almost all of the racials are useful, technically all if you're too lazy to cast breath. Orc however has weapon skill on a spell caster... and you can't even use the weapon type. Then there's melee attack power... with a healing debuff. Is anyone stupid enough to think these are useful? The pet bonus barely does anything on Warlock in Classic either. You need a Felguard for it to mean anything. All you really get is the stun resist, which as I explained in a Rogue thread, isn't dependable and not worth taking over a guaranteed fear removal. With stun resist, 75% of the time, you still eat the stun. With Will of the Forsaken, 100% of the time, you remove the fear. Undead also has Cannibalize. Eating corpses is useful when you have Life Tap. Tap tap tap eat corpse... Shadow Resist isn't bad either. Not only can you resist fears with it, but you take less damage from all of the nastiest dots.

Taking Orc over Undead means dropping reliable racials with guaranteed effects for a single racial that does nothing the majority of the time. Don't try to tell me your +5% Imp or Succubus damage is ever going to mean anything. Warlocks don't even damage with their pets in dungeons or raids, not unless you want it to instantly die. You either just eat the pet for a buff or have the Imp sit in Phase Shift so it doesn't die.

ur literally retarded if you think 25% stun resist isn't better than wotf on warlock.

[slverbaur]

orc for racial
ud if you want to be pro fucking pvp like everyone else on horde