Retribution Pre-Raid and Raid BiS - Updated for ZG Release

[JCarrill0]

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Let's not start this up again please.

[DrearyYew]

Bump - Updated for the release of Zul'Gurub

[smilkovpetko]

well i just noticed your retri guide drearyyew.

Let me explain you why the guide is bad for PVE Retribution.

As pve if you want to do dps you never go in "warrior" gear. (unless offset items like neck,cloak,finger,trink) .

As pve your main stat is :

(if you are under 26% crit unbuffed)
Intellect > Crit/Agility > Spell damage > Strength/Attack Power

(if you are 26% crit unbuffed)
Intellect > Spell damage > Strength/Attack Power > Agility/Crit

last 6% Crit you gain from Consumes (such as ele sharp stones,buffs,elixirs) .

Crit Cap (you don't need more than this because it is pointless) is 32% . (you will never crit more than 32% in raids due to glancing blows ) .

i see you priority melee gear which is terrible dps . (its only for melee swings) .

But our dps is not Melee Swings. , our dps is the more burst damage we output spamming our max rank abilities on CD.

for this reason we need as much Int Gear as we can get, agility for 26% crit and spell damage for more dps.

this is the reason why you should never enchant anything except agility (to fill the required cap) .

Hit cap you fill by : neck,cloak,fingers (5% from them) and 3% from talent.

even if you lack 1% hit it will not bite you since your dps is based on how much more you are spamming on CD - JoC max rank , consecration and SoC .

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... Killerduki
(my mace is still bad) but Trinkets are very BiS high end (they scale with sp and procs from our abilities).

This is how PVE retri gear should look like . (see the stats and enchants) . (pay attention to hit rating gear) .

If you want good dps Intellect gear is mandatory as number 1 priority.


Here is evidence how our DPS looks like if you are using the stats and gear that i explained :

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Intellect is major stat we need so no doubt.
Agility is second stat until we get 26% unbuffed.

1 Spell damage = 2 Strength = 4 Attack Power

1 SP > 3 AP
1 SP < 5 AP

Also you should never use Seal of the Crusade, it is bad and poor DPS.

Judgement of the Crusade - Seal of Command - Max Rank judgement of Command on CD and Consecration as last.

This is the rotation we should always do for maximum dps.


Evidence from Retail Vanilla Retri Paladins :

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1

These is one point about playing a paladin though. There are only 3 statistics that improve all aspects of a paladin. These three statistics are Stamina, Intellect, and +Spell Damage. As such, I recommend all paladins try to keep a strong foundation in the first two statistics, and start looking for +Spell Damage gear the moment you turn 60 and it is more easily available to you.

145 intellect = 2175 mana + 10% from divine int = 2392 mana = (almost 4 consecrations) .
200 Strength / 33% = 66 damage to consecration

4 consecrations = 1536 dmg from int vs 66 dmg from str.

136 Spell Damage = 27 damage to Seal of Command
280 Attack Power (140 Strength) = 20 Damage to Seal of Command

280 Attack Power = (assuming 3.5 speed) 70 damage which 15% is reduced by Glancing blows (with human racial) = 60 damage

Judgement of Command = 0 benefit from AP or Str .

Judgement of Command = 136 Spell Damage = 58 Damage

(now back to the gear comparing) .

With the gear on your list you gain :

66 damage on consecration , 20 damage on seal of command , and 60 damage on melee swings.

With the gear that i link you (using spell damage and intellect) i gain :

58 damage on judge of command , 27 damage on seal of command and extra 4 consecrations 1536 damage + 2 trinkets that (maelstrom scale with spell damage) and both proc from our special abilities on cd (15% in combination with melee swings)


Back to your Weapons (given tested and proved evidence from retail Vanilla back in 2006 1.12 patch)

http://web.archive.org/web/200611141831 ... 's_weapons

There is list which Weapon gives you the most DPS in comination with what sort of Seal .

Pay attention to :

Calculation hypothesis
* has an uncalculated proc or effect that can potentially increase weapon total dps

http://web.archive.org/web/200611142043 ... did=175065

This is pre naxx patch calculations and formulas given for Weapons .

[smilkovpetko]

You would say my values are bad "because no spell damage" , Intellect is always higher DPS compare to Strength and Attack Power even without Spell damage gear.

(our dps is not only melee swings , we need as much mana as we can get for max rank abilities on CD for crazy amount of damage and long duration fight). (explained on previous post why int is more dmg than str/ap).


http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... Holystrike

(this is just example how paladin gear should look like) with (exclusion at some of the enchants and items he use) but the overall view is how Paladin Stats should be in PVE in server at current patch.

[Ramaan]

You would say my values are bad "because no spell damage" , Intellect is always higher DPS compare to Strength and Attack Power even without Spell damage gear.

(our dps is not only melee swings , we need as much mana as we can get for max rank abilities on CD for crazy amount of damage and long duration fight). (explained on previous post why int is more dmg than str/ap).


http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... Holystrike

(this is just example how paladin gear should look like) with (exclusion at some of the enchants and items he use) but the overall view is how Paladin Stats should be in PVE in server at current patch.

U are aware that atk power currently buffs conscescration dmg right ?
U dont need spell dmg at all since u can get insane dmg with str and int only. I dont even use SoC anymore just JotC and SotC for the atk power buff. Conscr. Rank 1 is main dps for the mana usage

[DrearyYew]

Just ignore him Ramaan, he has a really strong grudge against me, it just isn't worth provoking him

[smilkovpetko]

You would say my values are bad "because no spell damage" , Intellect is always higher DPS compare to Strength and Attack Power even without Spell damage gear.

(our dps is not only melee swings , we need as much mana as we can get for max rank abilities on CD for crazy amount of damage and long duration fight). (explained on previous post why int is more dmg than str/ap).


http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... Holystrike

(this is just example how paladin gear should look like) with (exclusion at some of the enchants and items he use) but the overall view is how Paladin Stats should be in PVE in server at current patch.

U are aware that atk power currently buffs conscescration dmg right ?
U dont need spell dmg at all since u can get insane dmg with str and int only. I dont even use SoC anymore just JotC and SotC for the atk power buff. Conscr. Rank 1 is main dps for the mana usage

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=26927

only because you talk stuffs unaware. ^ and lol'd at your jotc and sotc .

on previous reply i did explain why paladin's today are doing bad dps , and why all go on false pve gear.
(the reason they fail badly in PVE)

No wonder why Dreary is nowhere on the DPS list between Paladins in Realmstat, his gear is not even proven .

And definitely current patch Very BiS Retribution Paladin Gear is Epic PVP Gear.

[DrearyYew]

Im not on realmplayers as Ret because I don't play Ret, I am much more useful to my raid as Holy since good Holy Paladins are hard to come by (apparently). If you want to look up someone that is Ret that has followed (and also helped me) with this gear list, look up Dovane.

As for absolute BiS with current gear, the new Epic PvP set is very good, but is only BiS in the case of Gloves, which barely beat out Flameguard Gauntlets.

[smilkovpetko]

Im not on realmplayers as Ret because I don't play Ret, I am much more useful to my raid as Holy since good Holy Paladins are hard to come by (apparently). If you want to look up someone that is Ret that has followed (and also helped me) with this gear list, look up Dovane.

As for absolute BiS with current gear, the new Epic PvP set is very good, but is only BiS in the case of Gloves, which barely beat out Flameguard Gauntlets.

You don't play Ret as you think that Ret is bad DPS , unlike other Classes Ret might be little low but saying that is bad DPS and therefore giving Guide with wrong Items misscalculated on poor knowledge about Retri is just bad idea.

The new Epic PVP gives every single stat how Retri Should look like :
Int+SP+Crit+Str (and ench it with agi for crit cap) .

Same thing is Blue PVP set where you get Int+Sp+Str .

The point is , you rather try to give information (on your opinion which is okey) but you decide to throw out the opinion i gave with Evidence (posting text and links) about weight of our stats and how our Gear should look like.

Point is : We are not Warriors and without mana we are trash that will never do any dps , this is fact , we need Int and SP with agi/crit. Sp because Str is lower weigh stat.

Just open the links i gave and see evidences :

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1

Written originally by Retribution Paladin and Sticky in Blizzard Forum by Blizzard Approved .

These is one point about playing a paladin though. There are only 3 statistics that improve all aspects of a paladin. These three statistics are Stamina, Intellect, and +Spell Damage. As such, I recommend all paladins try to keep a strong foundation in the first two statistics, and start looking for +Spell Damage gear the moment you turn 60 and it is more easily available to you.

This are Proven Weapons originally theory crafted and proven by wowwiki back in vanilla days:

http://web.archive.org/web/200611141831 ... 's_weapons

pay attention to

Calculation hypothesis
* has an uncalculated proc or effect that can potentially increase weapon total dps

The point is that the screenshots i posted was thanks to the Vanilla knowledge and Guides for Itemization .
Which consist Intellect > SP and Agi with some Str as last.

[DrearyYew]

If you don't like it, feel free to prove to me with whatever math you can come up with what it is you are trying to say.

But before you do, just know that you are wrong.