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Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:59 am
by Imbaslap
then take nelths tear off bwl bis list then. :D

btw, the spell dmg on nelths tear will not determine if a person lives or dies by small amounts. assuming a bwl geared holy pally will have more than enough healing to cover the 44 spell damage difference. (our pallies are all over 1,000 without nelths)
an "on use" trinket will decide however, thus making it more appealing for those situations. the average healing scenario where you're just flicking your bean and coast healing would be mp5 + healing trinkets as it is useful on an "average" healing encounter. (rejuv gem and shard)

no tank or dps care if you have 44 more spell dmg to your heals. they want to know you can heal them when it matters. ;)

either way, nelth's tear needs taken off the list before every person on the server calls you an idiot.(including holy pallys) and don't expect every caster including holy priests to have nelths tear. priests want the spell hit for razuvious in future content unless you want to debate with your guild why your holy priests can't get the spell hit to maintain a mind control or shackles in Naxx because you gave a tear to a holy pally. :lol:

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:12 am
by rooik
ur current avaible gear priority is abit off.

Helm: Helm of the Lifegiver, Gives better stats (+healing, spellcrit) than Insigthful Hood.
Shoulders: Forgot the Animist's Spaulders, second current avaible bis
Wrist: Loomguard Armbraces, Not better than Gallant Wristguards but def better than Judgement bracers by a longshot.

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:48 am
by DrearyYew
Healing Power - 1
Intellect - 1
Spell Crit - 20.34
MP5 - 1.94
Spirit - 0

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:05 am
by smilkovpetko
DrearyYew wrote:Healing Power - 1
Intellect - 1
Spell Crit - 20.34
MP5 - 1.94
Spirit - 0


intellect is 1.1 due to "spell crit" benefit

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:42 am
by DrearyYew
smilkovpetko wrote:
DrearyYew wrote:Healing Power - 1
Intellect - 1
Spell Crit - 20.34
MP5 - 1.94
Spirit - 0


intellect is 1.1 due to "spell crit" benefit



That value of 1 has the Spell Crit benefit already included. In fact, most of that value is from Spell Crit alone. I don't value the mana pool gained very much.

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:30 pm
by Xethra
You left off Loomguard Armbracers from Kirtonos, not sure if this was intentional or not. And going off your stat calculations, it will be an EP value of 40.

Also, Second Wind from Golem Lord in BRD. EP Value of 23 (I give the on use 1 EP value max). This is superior to that of Mindtap Talisman except when you need the MP5 (Chromaggus etc.)

Would like to request a sticky to this post since the other Holy Paladin sticky has items not in the game, in only a pre-raid BIS list and does not include raiding items, and finally it just doesn't seem to get updated (it may not need it though).

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:17 am
by DrearyYew
I always forget about Loomguard since Gallant's are so much easier to get...

I added Second Wind, but I do not have it as Pre-Raid BiS. The reasoning is that the stat weights were calculated for a Paladin in full BiS, which means high crit and intellect values. The more crit and intellect you have, the less you need MP5. A pre-raid Paladin will not have the luxury of having high crit and intellect, so Mindtap gives them the MP5 they will need.

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:19 pm
by SV001
The ZG trinklet could go on bis
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19950

The cd is only 2 minutes, allowing you to use it on trash/boss very often.

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:33 pm
by JCarrill0
DrearyYew wrote:Since the stickied thread is no longer being updated, and since I do maintain a list for my guild, here are my BiS lists for pre-raid and current raid content.

Can you update the stuff with Links? (I want to request a NEW sticky)

Re: Holy Paladin BiS and Pre-Raid BiS

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:09 pm
by DrearyYew
Yeah, I'll update the OP with links today, as well as BiS lists through Naxx that I did the calculations on earlier.