Retribution Paladin bugs here on Nostalrius

[Theloras]

So I went through the Nost bug tracker and have compiled the list below to show our main Retribution bugs - I'm leaving Prot on the side for the time being.

If anyone has other bugs to either list on the tracker or here on the forum, please let me know:

Seal of Righteousness bugs:
Seal of Righteousness (SoR) should proc as a separate melee strike
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=3614

Seal of Righteousness not working properly
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2762

One-Handed Weapon Specialization (talent)
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=3202

Seal of Command bugs:
Seal/Judgement of Command and weapon/item procs
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2839

Sanctity Aura
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1344

Seal of Command (Delay)
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1289

seal of Command Absorb Shield
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1416

Seal of the Crusader bugs:
Seal of Crusader
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1241

Misc. Paladin bugs:
[PALADIN] Vengeance not proccing on "spell" crits
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2825

Holy Resistance is on trash and bosses in BWL
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2871

Hammer of Wrath should not be resistible?
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=3302

Crowd Control Target Build Aggro on Healer
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=3585

Paladin Healing Threats
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/t ... oup_id=101

Paladins are not able to gain Reck Bomb charges from low level mobs or critters
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=3623

Basically, none of our talents/spells/abilities either work properly.

- Update - Benediction is now fixed - Consecration can now be stacked (if the Paladins only use the exact same rank however) - plus Consecration doesn't take up a debuff slot either.

Huzzah!

[Tinkertown]

Sanctity Aura https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1344

[Paladin]Two Consecrations won't stackh https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1160

All AOE Spells Consuming a Debuff Slot http://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1421

Seal of Command (Delay) https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1289

seal of Command Absorb Shield https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1416

[PALADIN] Vengeance not proccing on "spell" crits https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2825

I was quickly able to confirm everything on this list except Vengeance. I cannot seem to find any reference to any of the above items proccing Vengeance until 2007 (TBC). I think we'd need that.

[Theloras]

Sanctity Aura https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1344

[Paladin]Two Consecrations won't stackh https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1160

All AOE Spells Consuming a Debuff Slot http://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1421

Seal of Command (Delay) https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1289

seal of Command Absorb Shield https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1416

[PALADIN] Vengeance not proccing on "spell" crits https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2825

I was quickly able to confirm everything on this list except Vengeance. I cannot seem to find any reference to any of the above items proccing Vengeance until 2007 (TBC). I think we'd need that.

I, and my Paladin guild mates all had Fiery enchant on our Naxx 2handers with me having Claymore of Unholy Might back on retail Vanilla for the simple fact that it would proc a lot and when it would crit, would also proc Vengeance.

Basically, if the Paladin has the talent and scores any type of offensive crit either in PvE or PvP, Vengeance should proc:

Vengeance
Rank 5
Instant
Gives you a 15% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?spell=20059

[Tinkertown]

I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying that evidence is needed.

[smilkovpetko]

Talent Guide: Retribution

Tier 4: Eye for an Eye, Improved Retribution Aura
Eye for an Eye (2/2), All spell criticals against you cause 15/30% of the damage taken to the caster as well. The damage caused by Eye for an Eye will not exceed 50% of the Paladin's total health.
Very situational, but it can crit and proc Vengeance, and it’s damage is increased by Vengeance.

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1

[Theloras]

Added the following minor bug affecting Retribution to the list - while not game breaking, it still adds up to the entire bugged Ret package currently on Nostalrius:

Benediction (doesn't work with SoC or SotC)
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1307

[Theloras]

BTW - does anyone know if the Improved Seal of Righteousness talent works in the Holy tree?

Also, does/should it boost just base SoR/JoR dmg or should it scale with spell dmg?

[smilkovpetko]

Added the following minor bug affecting Retribution to the list - while not game breaking, it still adds up to the entire bugged Ret package currently on Nostalrius:

Benediction (doesn't work with SoC or SotC)
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1307

well it is indeed Gamebreaking.

As Tank i use this "SoR" and "SotC" to "JotC" .
As PVE Retri i always use max rank SoC and this saves me around 1k mana over 3 minutes spamming on cd JoC.

[smilkovpetko]

BTW - does anyone know if the Improved Seal of Righteousness talent works in the Holy tree?

Also, does/should it boost just base SoR/JoR dmg or should it scale with spell dmg?

i was searching to the patch notes and sadly i have seen that it should not scale with spell damage until TBC.

It should only increase the base SoR damage (unaffected by spell damage) .

The main reason why i been always used to not use this "improved sor" talent .

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=25583

you can find this evidence there.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.1.0

-Improved Seal of Righteousness: The percentage increase in damage from this talent is now applied after all bonuses from items and effects which increase your spell damage. (which mean it should never be increased by spell damage until tbc making this "much useless talent that i never use" and gives us barely 5-10 damage or max 19 tps per sor swing.


Even the person from 2006 wow forums confirm this :

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1

Improved Seal of Righteousness (5/5), increases damage dealt by Seal of Righteousness by 3/6/9/12/15%
A very weak talent, possibly the weakest in the holy tree. Only get this if you’re a tank. It works exactly as advertised.

[Theloras]

BTW - does anyone know if the Improved Seal of Righteousness talent works in the Holy tree?

Also, does/should it boost just base SoR/JoR dmg or should it scale with spell dmg?

i was searching to the patch notes and sadly i have seen that it should not scale with spell damage until TBC.

It should only increase the base SoR damage (unaffected by spell damage) .

The main reason why i been always used to not use this "improved sor" talent .

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=25583

you can find this evidence there.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.1.0

-Improved Seal of Righteousness: The percentage increase in damage from this talent is now applied after all bonuses from items and effects which increase your spell damage. (which mean it should never be increased by spell damage until tbc making this "much useless talent that i never use" and gives us barely 5-10 damage or max 19 tps per sor swing.


Even the person from 2006 wow forums confirm this :

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102258 ... 1828&sid=1

Improved Seal of Righteousness (5/5), increases damage dealt by Seal of Righteousness by 3/6/9/12/15%
A very weak talent, possibly the weakest in the holy tree. Only get this if you’re a tank. It works exactly as advertised.

Ok, that's what I figured - thanks for flushing this one out for me Duki!