rooik wrote:smilkovpetko wrote:I don't know what you believe in and how you have conclude that i fail badly , but when someone destroy my DPS as Retribution Paladin on the Following Boss with weapon such as Draconic Maul (for fight which last long over 430 seconds) then we can talk about it more specific.
http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... ssLimit=Pa1st - proc rate was given from "white swings" and not by Seal/Judge of Command.
2nd - do you even play Retribution Pve and where is your score.
3rd - can you give us your list considering that you talk with "facts" that are neither proven , neither shown as good on any score or realmstat .
4th - I am aware that this is not Peenix , but i have my playstyle since Vanilla Retail .
5th - you say why would anyone listen my opinion ? then why they would ask for opinion and where is their proven score for their opinion ?.
Here we have a Problem ^ with people like rooik or someone else that counter my opinion very badly and aggressive if it is not by their own "believes" .
I counter your opinion with math over your poor itemisation.
Ur linking ur own dps that was from a server with a different kind of procrate on the same trinket that I argued against. This aint the same server which you are obviously aware of thus doesn't include the same itemisations.
You then say that procrate comes from white hits, (which is prob true) Making the trinket worse than from my original post about its dps. it dps decreases down to a 1,76 DPS. I still fail to see why you ever think 1,76 dps trinket is still better than trinkets like DFT.
Im not on raidstats as ret cause I love to play a healer. That doesn't mean I know how to theorycraft for the spec.
And for my lack of proof regarding the procrate is that my collected data is way to low to take it as clear fact (i've only done 1000 hits but its well enough to regard that the trinket doesn't have a 20% procrate here and instead 1-4%) Theloras even stated it with a procrate around 1-2% so I'm not alone. Go ahead and test it yourself
My opinion aint aggresive because I prove you false about your info. I can't be arsed with people getting missinformed. But keep on thinking ur little 1.7/3.5 dps trinket is bis forever.
-Rooik
I'd recommend you to visit this Topic about this , but since you deny the Facts here is the Quote for you with full analyze .
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 10#p278544well , surprising now that our chances have increased to 5% , how about conversation before?
!!!!Pay Attention to Underline Text!!!!Re: End Game Retribution BiS Forever.
by Theloras » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:51 pm
Yes, it scales well with spell dmg but its proc rate here on Nostalrius is abysmal at best with a
1-2% proc rate only:
http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3760/lZo8iD.jpg
by rooik » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:52 pm
you will get 1, maybe 2 procs in a fight. it aint worth it. the procrate is so bad
by smilkovpetko » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:58 pm
Depend on the Playstyle , Spaming JoC on CD,Hammer and SoC increase this pretty much , and it is not true that will proc 1 or 2 but it would proc at least 10-20 times per Boss Fight depend on duration.
p.s from Special Abilities proc rate is higher.
by Theloras » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:00 pm
It's not Duki - trust me.
I'm using Soul Breaker (1.6 swing speed) with Seal of the Crusader (which gets me 1.13 swing speed) and it's a 1-2% proc rate as you can see from the screenshot:
by JCarrill0 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:07 pm
This is why I asked you to reconsider your post for Nost, thanks Theo for the explanation.
I thought Duki already knew
by rooik » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:36 pm
Procrate is about 2% here (until proven otherwise), with a 3.8 AS (MoM)weapon you will get around 15,79 attacks per min (60/3.8). And if you're saying that it procs from Seal of command and judgement (I can't confirm this since I havnt botherd trying) it will add 7,5 additional judgement (60/8) and 6,99 additional SoC per min ([ 7 / (60 / 3.8) ] ≈ 44.3% proc chance)
Theloras » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:15 pm
It's not much better with TUF @ 3.8 swing speed and using SoC/JoC:
http://imageshack.com/a/img924/1685/QSTfn5.jpg***subtract 14 white swings from the total as I killed some aft horde in Winterspring afterwards***
This gets us the following chances to proc the trinket:
109 white hits
49 SoC Procs
33 JoC hits
191 Total chances to proc compared to only
10 actual trinket procs=
5% proc rate and meh at best
HoJ + Blackhand's Breadth is still the best DPS combo for Ret, regardless of stacking AP/Crit or
Spell Damage in your gear setup.
by rooik » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:36 pm
The trinket scales with 22.5 % as well (might be abit off since it was a while since I tested it)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/1685/QSTfn5.jpg49+33 special abilities hits = 82 hits = 8 procs (9.7%)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/3760/lZo8iD.jpg109 white swings hits = 2 procs (1.8%)
You say that my theory is bad or opinion is wrong , but here you got compilation with the result that anything i poke is working exactly in the way as i was trying to say and confirmed it.
You have Underlined specifics in case you or someone decide to ignore it.
You wanted
theory in
practice so badly, here you got it . Now please stop nagging me with your "own believes" about my opinions and facts..
The evidences are out there and
your Math is just wrong!
I play since 2005 this Game and i know how my role work 100%.
