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Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:53 am
by Nellzer
So, hopefully at this point everyone knows that in AV, quick wins or quick losses, regardless of which side you're on, nets more honor than a long drawn out win. IE losing 5 games every 10-15 minutes will grant you significantly more honor than a single win where you get 400 HKs.

Let's also understand that historically, Horde usually win AV. So this weekend, Horde are winning pretty consistently and pretty quickly - fine by me, I'm getting 2k honor every 15 minutes, not bad.

Suddenly, Alliance are smart enough to realize that if we stop doing Galv, group up and zerg FW GY followed by relief hut, the game turns into a race which was pretty 50/50 in terms of which faction won.

Suddenly, the Horde realizing that their win% dropped, decide to start sending waves of people to defend at the road going by IB Tower, which means Alliance rez at SH GY and the game turtles, going over an hour and reducing everyone's honor by a monumental amount.

So the question to you horde players is this: WHY?

Is it a pride thing? You simply cannot accept the fact that you win 50%, regardless if it's the best possible honor available and you'd literally rather gain 2.5k honor in 2 hours than than 16k in 2 hours?

I've seen people with General+ defending here, who you would hope have a good enough understanding of the mechanics that they wouldn't do this... Seriously stumped here, wtf.

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:01 am
by Cruzix
Do you seriously think this is only a horde thing? :p alliance does this almost every game aswell. However when its 2am+ server time i've noticed the games becoming extremely turtle, u can thank chinamen for that

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:05 am
by Nellzer
This isn't true at all. Every single game the alliance send 99% of the raid the rush FW GY, the only people not partaking are randomly scattered doing turn ins, etc. etc.

It feels like the Alliance do it because once they're wiped trying to rush, they go to SH and yes, sit around playing defense because the rush failed and the game is an inevitable turtle now.

There is a reason all day Saturday consisted of 7-15 minute games with both factions getting wins and all day Sunday being 100% turtles, and the reason is Horde started defending.

It is entirely a Horde thing.

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:42 am
by eddyon
Normally goes one of three ways as ally.

Attempt to rush one time and fail miserably (because horde are sensible enough to have some defence normally mages by IB). Give up and kill galv and lose.

Attempt to rush one time and fail miserably (because horde are sensible enough to have some defence normally mages by IB). Defend and turtle. Sometimes end up winning these after 29348349 hours!

Attempt to rush one time and fail miserably (because horde are sensible enough to have some defence normally mages by IB). Actually try again and succeed, but horde are ahead because they were sensible enough to have some defence initially.

Essentially constant losses because ally are too stupid to realise some minor defence is not the same as a full turtle and actually what allows horde to win.

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:55 am
by Rashgar
Nellzer wrote:Suddenly, Alliance are smart enough to realize that if we stop doing Galv, group up and zerg FW GY followed by relief hut, the game turns into a race which was pretty 50/50 in terms of which faction won.
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50/50?
alliance smart enough?

Is this a bad attempt at trolling?

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:00 am
by Nerdbird
Thrall put it out and we're powerless to disobey the glorious leaders command.

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:25 am
by Lection
It was most definitely not 50/50 once alliance started doing this on the weekend. If you know anything about the AV map you know Alliance have a huge advantage, even taking the backdoor into account. I played 12 games as horde on Saturday and went 2-10. Good jokes OP.

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:32 am
by Talesavo
Alliance unquestionably have an advantage in AV, I really think it comes down to ego, in a lot of ways similar to the Horde's propensity to MC people out of WSG once it's clear they're going to lose. No one wants to get bashed on all day, so this is in some small way a form of payback. The idea of denying the Alliance from getting theirs is pretty damn strong when you're subjected to a constant flow of losing(assuming you're constantly getting put up by queue snipers). Can't really blame 'em either, sometimes the thought of fucking people over is more appealing than doing whats best for one's own self-interest.

Or that could be pseudo-psycho nonsense and the Horde/Alliance simply don't know any better.

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:38 am
by Talesavo
eddyon wrote:Normally goes one of three ways as ally.

Attempt to rush one time and fail miserably (because horde are sensible enough to have some defence normally mages by IB). Give up and kill galv and lose.

Attempt to rush one time and fail miserably (because horde are sensible enough to have some defence normally mages by IB). Defend and turtle. Sometimes end up winning these after 29348349 hours!

Attempt to rush one time and fail miserably (because horde are sensible enough to have some defence normally mages by IB). Actually try again and succeed, but horde are ahead because they were sensible enough to have some defence initially.

Essentially constant losses because ally are too stupid to realise some minor defence is not the same as a full turtle and actually what allows horde to win.


Not towards the end of tonight, it was simply the entirety of the Horde @ IB chokepoint, stopping the push, with no mind for objectives.

Re: Legitimate question to Horde during AV weekend

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:41 am
by Nellzer
eddyon & Lection,

Even if Horde were losing 100% of the matches, you were still getting 500% more honor on Saturday losing every game in 7-13 minutes than winning one game every hour. And the wins/losses were VERY close to 50/50 in my ~25 games played on Saturday. At the very worst, Horde maybe only won 35%.

Either way, playing ANY defense and causing a turtle is absolutely retarded unless you have serious ego issues. But then that still makes you retarded...