pvp BG premade healer

Re: pvp BG premade healer

by flowison » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:07 am

thank you for that answer!

on other maps than WSG, what are druids doing?
more feral tank and sefheal?

to get this straight:
shamans are playing as elemental, purging the enemy and throwing some heals on allys.
priests dispell, shielding, healing. (some offensive dps?)
pallys heal heal heal
druids: wsg flag carry

what of these 4 classes is the most gear dependent to work well?
which is not?

i guess palas and eles need good gear (mana issues?)
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Re: pvp BG premade healer

by DrearyYew » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:18 am

Ferals in AB are usually anchors at ST or FM

Shaman in early itemization are generally Enhance or Resto since the strong Ele gear doesn't exist until later patches. Windfury totem makes them strong enough to take in early itemization patches anyways.

Priests on Horde and Alliance tend to have different roles due to Shaman serving a more offensive role and Paladins serving a more defensive role. Horde Priests are pure healing with backup purge. Alliance Priests are more offensive since they are the only purge for Alliance, and Paladins are generally the primary healers since they never oom. Alliance Priests mostly purge, shield, and PI, all of which are still very strong.

Paladins are defensive utility and healing. Sacrifice, Freedom, Cleanse, and HoJ are all fantastic abilities, and the mana efficiency paired with insane survivability makes it hard to shut them down, as opposed to the mana-inefficient Priests that die if a Rogue so much as looks at them. Paladins also have the capability of one-shotting priority targets, even in Healing spec.

Druids are limited to Flag Carrying and Anchoring ST and Farm. NS and Roots make for some strong utility, but Druids are in a rough spot until TBC.
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Re: pvp BG premade healer

by Killstick » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:54 am

As pure support Priest and Paladin are ahead of Shaman and Druid.

I have no idea how well a druid healer works in PvP if he isn't carrying a flag. This isn't TBC where they can kite, dot heal and cyclone in arena.

Shaman on the other hand is more offensive healer. Since you will not only be healing (and don't have cleanse) but also shocking and purging your the enemy team.
You will always play Ele/resto (30/0/21 is what i would always play). In the early patches you will mostly be more resto than elemental due to available gear. If you are willing to raid for your PvP gear you will be able to let the elemental side of they playstyle take over and become more of a backup healer when shit hits the fan.

No idea if the T1 totemrange bug still exists but i think you could get 40 yards on your support totems with it and the range talent.

As for gear requirements; I think paladin might actually be the least gear required of them all. They have plate/shield to start with. Freedom, bubble... casting this stuff doesn't require spellpower.
If you would want to go for ele/resto shaman (where you are more ele than resto) then i guess this would be the hardest of the classes to gear towards that role.
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Re: pvp BG premade healer

by vathdaar » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:17 am

To answer briefly the gear-dependance of each of this classes (for their roll in bg) i ll list them:

Paladin. DOESNT NEED GEAR.(at all) you can play a paladin(specially at the start) and its main rol is to Cleanse,blessings(these barely cost mana) and holy light, at the start of the game there is barely any +heal plate for paladin and none of his MAIN rols are dependant on it. It just gets TOO OP afterwards when t2 and other plate armors give a lot of +heal and then paladin can still do its main rol and also gets on par pretty much with priest on heal, making it OP.

Priest. i ll divide this class into 2, it scales REALLY well with gear but being honest priest heals are alrdy superior in numbers so they dont rely on healing to be able to use them (like paladins). Priest main issues are MANA and SURVIVAVILITY, this is why you will want and NEED gear as a priest.

Druid: Certainly needs gear, specially for flag carrying, and not just ANY gear,it needs its ranking gear(either r10 set 4 pieces or r13 set 3 pieces bonus). and the rest of its gear has to be a mix of STA/HEAL/ARMOR/DEF for survavility. I ll answer here about druids in AB. usually we use them to hold flags since their survivavility is way btter and can stay stealthed, but at the start usually we take them for BS fight.


Shaman: the most gear dependant class(out of this 4). It scales with gear enourmosly tho, you ll need gear for healing, for melee, for elemental (main rol), and pretty much gear will decide if you re useless or not, since all shamans abilities rely on spellcrit/spell dmg and its survivavility relies entirely on armor/sta, since they have nothing to defend themselves apart from that. As shamans get gear throughout the game they really become killing machines tho, making greater bursts than any other class pretty much, but always lacking MANA and MOBILITY. Zusukie is a good example of this killing machine, but 1 cc, 1 slow or 1 tongues and shaman is absolutely disabled, depending on his team to be dispeled, decursed , etc.
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Re: pvp BG premade healer

by Strengths » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:42 am

A Eleman shaman : wf + 3 geared warrs + FAPS = bye bye midle fights with ALy !

WSG - Aly prem cant do nothing!

The best set up for H is -
-3 arms warrs
- 1 elem shaman
- 2 disci priest
- 1 exceptional hemorage rogue
- 1 frost mage
- 1 lock
- 1 druid
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Re: pvp BG premade healer

by vathdaar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:08 am

Strengths wrote:A Eleman shaman : wf + 3 geared warrs + FAPS = bye bye midle fights with ALy !

WSG - Aly prem cant do nothing!

The best set up for H is -
-3 arms warrs
- 1 elem shaman
- 2 disci priest
- 1 exceptional hemorage rogue
- 1 frost mage
- 1 lock
- 1 druid


Strengths is a cool guy but he is clueless in terms of PVP organisation etc, we all love u papito, but its the truth.
Horde and warriors dont cope at all, the lineup he just linked would probably ( ONLY PROBABLY) be strong in middle and maybe against a bad team, but would have no chance actually wining the game, which happens to be about flag carrying, and horde doesnt rely on freedoms and dispels, making it twice as hard than it is for alliance on that matter. With this set up against some ally prem with 1 or 2 hunters (most usual lineup for ally) they would all be oom after first mid fight, being free caps for alliance,even if they won 1st fight.


Horde set up usually relies on a caster cleave to be efficient, talking at TOP level premades ofc, something like:

3 priests(1 can be shadow), priests are the only friendly dispelers in horde so gg having less than 3.
2 mages (AT LEAST)
1 warlock
1 shaman
1 rogue
1 warrior (just here to put MS and then keep slowed the other half of the game).
1 druid



this game is a good example, it was some prem v prem long time ago, both teams are decent but horde was lacking priests and having too many warrs. Consequence : being strong in middle, but unable to keep up vs slows and cc from a heavily strong ally team in terms of hunters/mages.

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Re: pvp BG premade healer

by Strengths » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:29 am

I love u frent !

You always have a contradiction to papa !

I go kill myself in head ! :cry:
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Re: pvp BG premade healer

by donkeydoo » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:22 pm

vathdaar wrote:
Strengths wrote:A Eleman shaman : wf + 3 geared warrs + FAPS = bye bye midle fights with ALy !

WSG - Aly prem cant do nothing!

The best set up for H is -
-3 arms warrs
- 1 elem shaman
- 2 disci priest
- 1 exceptional hemorage rogue
- 1 frost mage
- 1 lock
- 1 druid


Strengths is a cool guy but he is clueless in terms of PVP organisation etc, we all love u papito, but its the truth.
Horde and warriors dont cope at all, the lineup he just linked would probably ( ONLY PROBABLY) be strong in middle and maybe against a bad team, but would have no chance actually wining the game, which happens to be about flag carrying, and horde doesnt rely on freedoms and dispels, making it twice as hard than it is for alliance on that matter. With this set up against some ally prem with 1 or 2 hunters (most usual lineup for ally) they would all be oom after first mid fight, being free caps for alliance,even if they won 1st fight.


Horde set up usually relies on a caster cleave to be efficient, talking at TOP level premades ofc, something like:

3 priests(1 can be shadow), priests are the only friendly dispelers in horde so gg having less than 3.
2 mages (AT LEAST)
1 warlock
1 shaman
1 rogue
1 warrior (just here to put MS and then keep slowed the other half of the game).
1 druid



this game is a good example, it was some prem v prem long time ago, both teams are decent but horde was lacking priests and having too many warrs. Consequence : being strong in middle, but unable to keep up vs slows and cc from a heavily strong ally team in terms of hunters/mages.

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are u sure horde didnt lose because they had enh shaman (zusukie) and another random shaman toregaa
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Re: pvp BG premade healer

by vathdaar » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:47 pm

zusukie is/was/will be the king of elements. elements are : FIRE, FROST and COCK. He is the king of this last.
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