Vote on /World's Future

[iheartbenben]

At what point does allowing the Proles to "vote" themselves into power over a private channel become something desired? They didn't make the channel, <GRIZZLY> did, and your feelings on the guild aside there's no reason that those who are just using their channel have any right to usurp them because their feelings are hurt. The same goes for Samsta (even if he is a faggot) and moderating the Alliance /world equivalent.

If you don't like how its run, either find an argument to convince those running it to change their policies, or make your own. If you've got the apparent numbers of people willing to produce GM rule over the channel then maybe you should do a little thinking and get all those other people to form their own version of /world where you can introduce your preferences for chatting onto them there.

You're ignoring that over time WoW players, in the largest majority numbers, /join world over any other channel. This makes it the most populated and most efficient channel to use for trade, groups, and recruitment.

This is THE most crucial fact that is often ignored. Your suggestions are great, but they omit this very, very, very crucial fact. Nobody uses /lfg or /general or /localdefense when you compare it to the amount of people who use and rely on /world.

To flippantly deny players this channel is short sighted, and hinders gameplay without just reason or cause. The power to affect player's should be in GM and Admin hands, not some random idiots from whatever toxic guild or community they come from.

[iheartbenben]

There is a large margin of error. I'd say 90%, probably higher. Word salad won't get you out of facts.

Show me the math on how you came to that "factual" figure, please.

I gave you an "even if" scenario of 50 percent, which is beyond generous, in order to give credulity to your statement so I can then disprove it. Even if it is 50 percent, and it is much lower, you are still wrong.

This entire response by you is devoid of any critical thought on your part, and I seriously doubt you could be so dense mentally as to not understand that a margin of error over 90 percent is impossibly high in this or any scenario.

The people are speaking against you, and you're trying to wiggle out of the obvious.

TL:DR - You are still wrong.

Then you need to provide a basis for your "even if" scenario being generous. WoW players are lazy. Basic common sense shows I am right. Please refrain from ad hominem attacks to accompany your arguments

Have you ever taken Statistics? Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

I'm being serious here. You are displaying an enormous of amount of ignorance on the topic and it is not worth my time to teach you. Please, go and learn, and understand what I'm talking about before you demand work from me.

There isn't enough data available to me to even begin the calculation, which is why the entire back and fourth between me and you is especially hilariious. I gave you the even if scenario because it is literally impossible for me to calculate the figures you want. You don't even realize what you ask and infer is impossible to know when using 'strawpoll' as your instrument, so you must defer to 'occams razor' and see if the results are enough of a landslide to negate any possibility of a margin of error affecting the overall outcome. Can you understand this last paragraph? Is your english better than your mathmatical prowess?

[riq and snog]

I have /myworld where i talk with all my 25 personalities .
It amazes me how ppl still cant work arround a private channel to fullfill their needs.
Lfg
/Who (your zone, your lvl, c-"interset class needed"
general chat
Want to sell shit? have tradebob lvl 1 in nearest capital
Want help cuz gank? general defense
Want guild advert? guild recruitement channel, again lvl 1 bob in town
Stop demanding world moderation, nobody with a sane mind uses it anyway
A global chat moderation will not change it
Ogtucker n co wont stop spamming because its what they do regardless off a gm moderating it....
Pls apply for a gm opening with the purpose of moderration, u wont last a week, simply because thers just waway to many egos demanding the troll crown.


Argument: nobody uses them...
Start using them cuz u know what? Thats what we did in vanilla.

[Raktae]

At what point does allowing the Proles to "vote" themselves into power over a private channel become something desired? They didn't make the channel, <GRIZZLY> did, and your feelings on the guild aside there's no reason that those who are just using their channel have any right to usurp them because their feelings are hurt. The same goes for Samsta (even if he is a faggot) and moderating the Alliance /world equivalent.

If you don't like how its run, either find an argument to convince those running it to change their policies, or make your own. If you've got the apparent numbers of people willing to produce GM rule over the channel then maybe you should do a little thinking and get all those other people to form their own version of /world where you can introduce your preferences for chatting onto them there.

You're ignoring that over time WoW players, in the largest majority numbers, /join world over any other channel. This makes it the most populated and most efficient channel to use for trade, groups, and recruitment.

This is THE most crucial fact that is often ignored. Your suggestions are great, but they omit this very, very, very crucial fact. Nobody uses /lfg or /general or /localdefense when you compare it to the amount of people who use and rely on /world.

To flippantly deny players this channel is short sighted, and hinders gameplay without just reason or cause. The power to affect player's should be in GM and Admin hands, not some random idiots from whatever toxic guild or community they come from.

Right, you're too afraid to take a leap and make your own channel so you're going to try and ride the coattails and claw your way to the helm of someone else who did. These are players affecting players and a showing of a living breathing community, you'll either have to adapt and start your own campaign with those 161 voters to populate your own /global or /worldchat or whatever you desire the name to be if you want someone to boss you around.

I carefully considered the amount of people that already use world and have come to that conclusion, the only thing holding you back is yourself. You can both use /world at the same time as trying to draw others into your own chat, a diffusion of intention and interest of players. A vote in bodies is worth far more than some bullshit show of faith through strawpoll, and if you can't muster the base you need in order to achieve what you want, then it's not meant to be.

Do or die.

[iheartbenben]

At what point does allowing the Proles to "vote" themselves into power over a private channel become something desired? They didn't make the channel, <GRIZZLY> did, and your feelings on the guild aside there's no reason that those who are just using their channel have any right to usurp them because their feelings are hurt. The same goes for Samsta (even if he is a faggot) and moderating the Alliance /world equivalent.

If you don't like how its run, either find an argument to convince those running it to change their policies, or make your own. If you've got the apparent numbers of people willing to produce GM rule over the channel then maybe you should do a little thinking and get all those other people to form their own version of /world where you can introduce your preferences for chatting onto them there.

You're ignoring that over time WoW players, in the largest majority numbers, /join world over any other channel. This makes it the most populated and most efficient channel to use for trade, groups, and recruitment.

This is THE most crucial fact that is often ignored. Your suggestions are great, but they omit this very, very, very crucial fact. Nobody uses /lfg or /general or /localdefense when you compare it to the amount of people who use and rely on /world.

To flippantly deny players this channel is short sighted, and hinders gameplay without just reason or cause. The power to affect player's should be in GM and Admin hands, not some random idiots from whatever toxic guild or community they come from.

Right, you're too afraid to take a leap and make your own channel so you're going to try and ride the coattails and claw your way to the helm of someone else who did. These are players affecting players and a showing of a living breathing community, you'll either have to adapt and start your own campaign with those 161 voters to populate your own /global or /worldchat or whatever you desire the name to be if you want someone to boss you around.

I carefully considered the amount of people that already use world and have come to that conclusion, the only thing holding you back is yourself. You can both use /world at the same time as trying to draw others into your own chat, a diffusion of intention and interest of players. A vote in bodies is worth far more than some bullshit show of faith through strawpoll, and if you can't muster the base you need in order to achieve what you want, then it's not meant to be.

Do or die.

So your response is essentially, "So what, that's the way it is, deal with it."?

<Grizzly> didn't "create" anything. They were the first to type /join world and have, by all meanings of the word, hi-jacked it from the community.

This entire thread is about changing the current policy, yet you keep parroting the SOP as some sort of reasoning to not change. I'm well aware of the nuances of the issue and of my avenues of approach and I have chosen this one.

[Raktae]

Yes, I'm telling you to deal with it or make your own that's better. If your idea is so good that it should be mandatory, surely it's capable of garnering support on its own without having to skip past the players and straight to the GMs.

[iheartbenben]

RESULTS UPDATE

March 15, 2015 @ 8 : 30 US CENTRAL


1. Yes, GM's should control moderation.
174 votes (49%)

2. Neither, there should be NO moderation.
69 votes (19%)

3. Nor, there should be only /say timers (one /world say per 15 seconds)
62 votes (17%)

4. No, Player's should control moderation.
51 votes (14%)

I would still like people to address the results of this poll, rather than engage in ad hominem discourse.

[iheartbenben]

Yes, I'm telling you to deal with it or make your own that's better. If your idea is so good that it should be mandatory, surely it's capable of garnering support on its own without having to skip past the players and straight to the GMs.

I'm telling you we're going to try and change /world. That's what we are going to try to do.

I'm telling you the players who disagree with you far outnumber those that agree. FAR outnumber you. As of this time 14 percent of people who responded agree with you. Fourteen. Percent.

[Raktae]

Yes, I'm telling you to deal with it or make your own that's better. If your idea is so good that it should be mandatory, surely it's capable of garnering support on its own without having to skip past the players and straight to the GMs.

I'm telling you the players who disagree with you far outnumber those that agree. FAR outnumber you. As of this time 14 percent of people who responded agree with you. Fourteen. Percent.

Then go build your own world chat and use those people who agree with you to populate it.

Numbers do not make one right, friend.

[iheartbenben]

Yes, I'm telling you to deal with it or make your own that's better. If your idea is so good that it should be mandatory, surely it's capable of garnering support on its own without having to skip past the players and straight to the GMs.

I'm telling you the players who disagree with you far outnumber those that agree. FAR outnumber you. As of this time 14 percent of people who responded agree with you. Fourteen. Percent.

Then go build your own world chat and use those people who agree with you to populate it.

Numbers do not make one right, friend.

I'll just say it again, because you didn't seem to understand.

We, with the consensus of the overwhelming majority, are going to attempt to change /world policies.

I do not care what you think I, we, or anyone else 'should' do, nor will I entertain your notions.

I am going to stop interacting with you, as we have reached an obvious conclusion to our discussion.