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Previous Beta Characters

by Boomshaka » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:33 am

From the FAQ:
How about characters used during Beta?
The Nostalrius beta testers will NOT get their characters at server launch. We want the server to be launched like real retail vanilla servers used to be, where everybody has to start from level 1. The old beta characters could still be imported, but under several hard conditions. This importation should not alter the PvE or PvP progression, should not change the server economy balance, nor come with an sense of injustice from other players. We rather think that it could bring back a lot of old Nostalrius players (more than 20.000 accounts !).
Anyway, these characters will stay unusable a long time after the release (and their names will be reusable).


Do not allow this to happen. As far as I'm aware, they were given instant 60s during that beta(If this isn't the case then clarify it on the FAQ at least). This is a 1x server, not an instant 60 server.

It's hard to advertise for this server being blizzlike. When this is in the FAQ
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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by Aquane » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:52 am

I oppose this as well

he said so himself; if the new community opposes it it won't happen

you can change his mind about it

all you have to do is say no

and by the way, having a strawpoll or other type of online poll about it is a bad idea; it can easily be manipulated by users of other servers and provide very inaccurate results because of how important such a poll would be if it existed

even a forum poll... might be a bad idea for that reason, but it'd increase our registered users and pageviews drastically making us seem more popular than we really are

ill write more tomorrow
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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by erifornia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:51 pm

How about people who grinded all the way from level 1 ? How is that fair they won't get their characters back ?
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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by Youfie » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:11 pm

Because the differences between NR Begins and its Beta don't come down to a mere 1-60 grind.

The progressive content release, the consequences of the instant 55 and the corrections of some bugs, among many other things, will make, all things being equal, a NR Begins character worth more than what a NR Beta one would. Unless of course you want to restore your beta character that you levelled from 1 to 60 naked ? In this case I guess the two 1-60 grind would be equivalent, but there would be no point.


The way Nostalrius is going to develop for the next months / years is way different to what it used to be during the beta.

The progressive content release, the gear nerf and many other things like the respec cost (it was free for a looooong time during beta) or the absence of the instant-55 feature that beta used to have will definitely be game changers.

I feel awful for the new players having to grind to 60, while the beta testers might get all their characters back, potentially with their professions maxed out etc, given that they had it easy back in the days.

Many people had rerolls spread over different accounts, and the staff will have absolutely no way to enforce any limitations  due to the impossibility to know which account belongs to whom (if I have 10 characters on different accounts, good luck identifying me).

Not to mention the PvP competition. Despite the honor formulas being Blizz-like and the impossibility to get to higher ranks without a sufficient amount of ranked players, the small population + instant 55 made it quite easy to tag you and your friends 10 rerolls in the competition each week (the 25 HK limitation was disabled, at least when I was playing) to artificially increase your relative position in the weekly PvP ranking.

The small population in itself made the competition flawed, it was easier to wait for a member of your faction to get the rank they were aiming for so that you could get yours the weeks afterwards rather than actually compete with them. In the long run, almost everyone would get to their goals. Of course they had to be realistic, but it wasn't enough on retail.

The new players would be surprised to know the percentage of players having reached the ranks 10-11 during the beta, I don't think it would compare to retail.

The honor formulas fortunately made it very hard to progress beyond the ranks 12 and above, the small pop became a disadvantage for the hardcore players from that point.

Same goes for the bugs fixing in general. Although not perfect, NR is a very well scripted server overall. But everything have not been done it a day.

During a huge period of time, you could just TP inside instances, and characters who didn't take part into a fight could loot. Add up an instant-55 feature, and you canimagine how easy it was to gear-up a reroll.

Someday a newly scripted boss casted a spell every 3 or 4 seconds instead of 2 (iirc), and the day after that the staff fixed that and deleted all the gear that had been looted from him, so I'm not saying it was a complete mess back in the days.


The staff always had the willingness to be close to retail and to ensure there were not abuses, but the server features back during beta created issues and the staff did not always have the ability to prevent them all.

That's why restoring beta characters, even if it's done in sufficiently long time after release in order to keep some balance on the server, is unfair as the conditions in which the gear was acquired will definitely not be the same during Nostalrius Begins, thanks to, amongst many other things, the progressive content release and the hopefully higher population.

It amazing how old beta testers posting here are whining about their old characters and always fail to mention the uncomfortable details.

You had more than a hundred days of /played on Nostalrius ? So did I. Get over it.
 
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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by Boomshaka » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:08 pm

erifornia wrote:How about people who grinded all the way from level 1 ? How is that fair they won't get their characters back ?

What about people like me who leveled 1-60 on another server that had blizz like rates? They don't get a transfer. Agree with Youfie 100%
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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by Chaton » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:24 pm

Youfie wrote:Because the differences between NR Begins and its Beta don't come down to a mere 1-60 grind.

The progressive content release, the consequences of the instant 55 and the corrections of some bugs, among many other things, will make, all things being equal, a NR Begins character worth more than what a NR Beta one would. Unless of course you want to restore your beta character that you levelled from 1 to 60 naked ? In this case I guess the two 1-60 grind would be equivalent, but there would be no point.



Is right but this dude is so bad...
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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by erifornia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:45 pm

I didn't say I wanted my character back, just saying your "they got instant level 60" argument is invalid. I'm opposed to it as well, but as Youfie said it we won't be getting our characters back cause it ain't fair. And that reason is way enough. (Hi Youfie)
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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by Youfie » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:47 pm

Hi Eri :).

Chaton wrote:Is right but this dude is so bad...


Honey, my own English is far from perfect, but I'm not sure what you meant :(.

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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by Envy » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:52 pm

Don't call him honey here :( it's not appropriate !
And no one knows :(
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Re: Previous Beta Characters

by Grungie » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:53 pm

Wake up, the beta stopped 2.5 years ago. Your argument is biased -_-
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